Which of the following fighters are "SuperHeavyWeight?"

None seeing as though there isn't a SHW division in the pro ranks.

 

Under the general gist of the convo Lewis, Joshua and Carnera.

 

The problem with this agenda driven thread is you are carefully selecting isolated fights to further your said agenda.
You picked Louis when he was coming back after being retired for over two years and was in his mid 30's.
Johnson when he was 37 .
Jeffries when he hadn't trained seriously for a joke of a fight that he knew was going to be a blow out.
Same with a fat Sullivan.
Then, to further your argument you selected a version of Lewis that isn't at all representative af him in his prime.
It's not only disingenuous,it's rather silly ,and pointless really.
Wilder at 6'7" and often more than ten lbs over that weight is a SHVY,so are Lewis ,Joshua , and Carnera.I feel it's a combination of both height,reach, and weight.Others may have a slightly different criteria, or in your case an agenda.

 

This reply is very sensible.

You should know that SHW, an informal designation anyway, does not depend only upon weight.
Especially when a fighter is overweight or over their prime weight.
And overall size, height, bone structure, wingspan, are strong factors.
You also got Wilder's weight wrong in that fights-he was 212 & 1/2.
Even if your others are all accurate, clearly natural size & significant muscle weight on a large skeleton are the main criteria.

 

I think it has to be done off of an estimated leanweight, not just getting fat.

 

I totally agree. Many of the people pushing this line got caught out stipulating poundage minimums for guys that could compete in the current climate e.g. guys under x pounds will no longer be relevant etc. Wilder has come along and made a mockery of that so they have reverted to height and reach without missing a beat. You can't have it both ways.

 

I'll give you the main problem

Super heavyweight doesn't exist

Heavyweights are Heavyweights, stop trying to act like the slightly larger ones have evolved beyond human capabilities

 

After Primo Carnera killed Earnie Schaaf in the ring, there was a legitimate call for a "Juggernaut" division for him and all of the SHWs like Buddy Baer and Abe Simon and the like

 

I've no wish to block any discussion on this topic.TBH it doesn't even interest me that much.
To address your other points.
No, I wouldn't consider Toney to be a SPHVY ,I would classify him as a lazy ,but gifted middleweight who had some success at higher weights because of his natural ability.
Langford I would consider to be a fat version of the great fighter that he undoubtedly was.
His best weight was around 175lbs.
You know precisely what you are doing and why you are doing it.
Give some of us credit for seeing it coming a mile off!
Because we have!

 

1.Carnera did not kill Schaaf in the ring.
2.Schaaf had no business being in a ring he was still getting over a particularly virulent case of influenza,plus the punishment that Baer had inflicted in the closing stages of their fight is thought to have been the reason he was a "dead man walking."

Buddy Baer and Abe Simon were not on the radar in1933 when Carnera fought Schaaf,they weren't contenders until1942, 9 years later!

 

I was just thinking off the top of my head "good SHWs from Louis' era"

Uh I guess Ray Impelletiere and Victorious Campolo, I think they were relevant in the esrly-mid 30s