Which of the following fighters are "SuperHeavyWeight?"

Which isn't the" Louis era".

 

To my mind only Carnera, Lewis and Joshua meet the definition of a super heavyweight, from the fighters on that list.

The way the term seems to be used today, is to define a heavyweight who is above a certain height, and a certain lean weight.

It might even imply a specific style, based upon using your physical advantages as well.

 

A sloppy end around to give credence to Marciano's prospects against postmodern heavies.

However you label the various attributes that comprise this mythical superheavy, Wilder's height and reach are super and even at a superlean 209 he represents a plausible heavyweight. He's a leverage puncher not a swarmer. That's plenty of meat on the bone. However, we really haven't seen his career play out fully due to so much careful matchmaking. Is he a tweak of the paradigm or an anomaly? Time will tell.

What this does to justify the postmodern chances of stumpy, light, facefirst swarmers I haven't a clue.

 

To be honest I always thought if SHW as 230 plus. Never took height and reach into the equation in boxing I think those are qualities that are over rated. In the era of steroids was always the weight for me. Especially because most of these guys lie about height anyhow.

 

Yes ,despite the protestation of innocence it's pretty blatant cherry picking to try and prove a point that appears to obsess him.

 

It is fair to say natural size could mean a range of things.
But I added muscle weight afterword, to imply height, reach, bone structure-& what would weigh at a certain level of muscle mass.
To take your Lewis question, he was lean & in the 220's early in his career.
He is actually a good example-because his structure was then big enough to be a SHW.
But he did not have enough bulk per square inch to fit our definition until he was in the 240's without much more bodyfat.

Tua & Tyson are good examples of guys who have enough bulk/muscle to have been SHWs...If they were somewhat taller & longer.
So it is a balance of size of bones-length, thickness & frame width...
With enough muscle to qualify as a SHW.

 

That's the danger of extrapolating long term conclusions from short terms trends, and assuming that correlations are self-evidently etiological. I'm just old enough to remember people arguing equally passionately -and equally cogently- that there would never be another white heavyweight champion. (It would be equally silly to assume that MMA will always be dominated predominantly by white fighters.)

 

Answering your questions
1.Yes if he had been 160/170lbs he would have lost, even against the geriatric versions of those he fought.
2.Yes again.
3.There is no laid down criteria for SHV each must decide on his own.
You are not hiding it, we can all see it! You are endeavouring to boost Marciano yet again. I don't say old time legends would be outclassed by modern bigger men, talent will always be a requisite for success.
I would expect Jack Dempsey for example to do well in today's era because ;

1.He was quick into range.
2.Fast with his punches.
3.Had evasive head movement.
4.Hit proportionately harder than other men of his weight.
5.Had excellent footspeed.
6.He proved he could chop down men much larger than himself, and he accomplished it in awesomely ferocious fashion.
I would expect Rocky Marciano to struggle today because;
1.He was pretty slow at getting in range.
2.He was more measured in his attack.
3.He wasn't hard to tag with jabs.
4. He had unusually short arms,necessitating he could only be effective at close range.
5.He didn't have the accuracy with his punches that Dempsey possessed.
6.He was cut prone, at least two of his fights would have been in danger of being stopped today.
7.He did not have Dempsey's overall boxing ability.
8.He was very short for a heavy if you are,you need ,one punch power , good hand speed, a great chin and skin resistant to cuts.
9.He would not be facing men aged 37,39,38/40.
10.They would not be weighing under 200lbs.
The only fighters of the last 30years that resemble Marciano in any respect and that have also had success are;
Tua. 45lbs heavier than Marciano,with a chin of granite and faster hands and feet.
Tyson. 30lb s heavier with much better head movement,terrific handspeed, very good footspeed ,[he was very fast into range],and an excellent chin.

 

6'5" plus AND over 225lbs plus = S-HW

it should be the only division in boxing with a height attached to it, leaving the HW division much the same as it always was.

 

Lets take a look at how one of those "beanpoles," did against a Marciano type short ,top level banger.

Fred Fulton v Sam Langford.

Jun 19 Fred Fulton Boston, Ma LT 7

Dec 28 Fred Fulton San Francisco, Ca L 4
Langford was never the same fighter after being jabbed silly by Fulton's piston left hand.

 

What about someone like Jarrell Miller? He's only 6'4", but 300+ lbs… do we call him a S-HW, or does he not quite qualify?

 

You forgot Tony Galento.

 

Only Super heavyweights exist in amateur ranks and if I were to have my way then no other division would have super in its name either