Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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  1. McGrain

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    I'll ask you the same question in reverse.

    Tyson would likely be the best puncher, overall, that Tyson had ever beaten had he beaten him.

    He would be the HW that Liston had beaten.

    He would be perhaps the second best boxer that Foreman had beaten.


    Knocking Langford out was ****ing hard. There's no hint of a weakness where chin is concerned. Granite chin, great counter-puncher.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    I don't give him much chance against the taller/big jabbers (LEnnox, Wlad, Vitali, Holmes, Ali, Douglas) based on the Johnson/Wills/Fulton losses (although he was half blind against Fulton I think). Foreman reach usually smashes pressure fighters on the way inside, so did Liston and both had long powerful jabs

    I question how his durability would handle punchers from bigger men like Tyson, Louis, Foreman, Liston. Bowe I think is just too big, durable and hard hitting, but who knows maybe Wills was as good as Bowe, I doubt it but you never know, Baer is a similar problem to Bowe but not as big/good, Jeffries too is a similar size/durability problem but I think Langford to be the better boxer and puncher in that match up

    Marciano, Frazier and Dempsey aren't too much bigger so I think in terms of strength, power and durability he has a greater chance, I think I favour those men but give him a 40% chance against all

    I question how he handles bigger boxer punchers like Holyfield and Moorer. Patterson and Charles while the same size may well be better than him. I think I give an edge to Walcott too

    Schmelling and Tunney are toss ups, I probably favour him over Johannson, Sharkey and Braddock, I think he knocks out both Spinks Bros

    A question, who is the biggest puncher Langford faced?
     
  3. janitor

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  4. Kalasinn

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    I wasn't questioning his chin, i'm just somewhat unsure how someone under 200lbs, even as durable as Langford, may handle the power of such devastating elite punchers.
     
  5. janitor

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    Wille Meehan beat Langford . Can anyone beat Meehan over 4 rounds ?
     
  7. janitor

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    No.
     
  8. McGrain

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    The main reason is that Langford didn't tend to fight men of these dimensions who seemed to relly upon this punch.

    Langford seems to have recieved a brain injury during this fight, but was being badly out-boxed before that. Any point after the brain injury, Langford is seriously post-prime, before that, he is just on the decline. I'm obviously unsure as to how much faster and more accurate Langford was, as we all are, my guess is Fulton troubles Langford any time, and it's specifically because he didn't go through him like Demspey and Wills, fighters in his class, that we have to wonder.

    Langford was capable of "going through" men in the run up to this fight, but it should be noted that he was already struggling with Big Bill Tate, who at Lewis's sky-scraping height set Langford a real problem before his sight was impaired.



    Well I say that his trying to land it with a reach differential of one foot and a height differential of not much less, makes me confident in my pick. As well as being the best fighter Langford had ever faced (in real terms, not pound for pound) a man like Lewis enjoys massive advantages for any fighter.

    Even if Langford is actually a better HW thank Lennox Lewis (obviously hugely debatable) overcoming these differences is a monumental task, and one that his fights with lesser men seems to indicate is beyond him.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Again, there is very little to indicate Mike Tyson (For example) is equal to the task of fighting an elite HW like Langford.

    I do take your point though, and I would favour two of the the three men you list to beat him, I just don't think it's as clear cut as the men I mentioned.
     
  10. Kalasinn

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    Tokyo Douglas! :lol:
     
  11. janitor

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  12. Unforgiven

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    Who ?
     
  13. Kalasinn

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    I bet it's Tyson you favour Langford to beat, you don't need to hide that.

    Height & reach be damned, Langford has an intelligent puncher's chance against the fragile Wlad.

    Wlad is extremely unproven, the only Tier 2 fighter he's beaten is Byrd, & i insist Chagaev doesn't count since he was suffering badly from Hepatitis.
     
  14. janitor

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    Bill Tate was suficiently well regarded during Jack Dempseys title reign that he nearly got a title shot over Harry Wills.

    This is not a journeyman type fighter.
     
  15. janitor

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    Just for the record, I would give Langford more chance against Lewis or Klitschko than Tyson.

    Just my take.