Which of these 2 heavyweights have the better RESUME??

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  1. Kostya Zoo

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  2. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Yep, it actually does. When a man drops and bends to only offer you the back of his head, what else are you going to hit? Both him and Waldo should have been warned about turning their backs on Peter.

    And McCline himself tried to mimick Waldo's gameplan of molesting Peter inside and only offering the back of the head when Peter went on the offense. I suspect everyone is going to try that now to draw a DQ. Refs need to be on the ball with that one.
     
  3. Shpion

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    You wrote. "...aka rabbit punches, are a direct result of a taller opponent leaning in and turning his back on you." I am confused. Taller or shorter?

    Anyway, I personally see it as a lack of skill to fight on the inside. David Tua for example always was much shorter than most of his opponents, nevertheles, he never had to defer to such tactics and he fought the best "hugger" in the world (reminder: 19 sec fight).
     
  4. Shpion

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    I actualy thought that Klitschko clinched excesively. That being said, a lot of the clinches were a direct result of Peter lunging forward, again due to lack of skill(as I view it).
     
  5. Heavyrighthand

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    :good

    When in a side by side comparison, as this thread illustrates, Povetkin should be ranked higher than Peter, certainly.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Same thing. A smaller James Toney bending at the waist and turning his shoulder to Peter is offering his back. A much larger Klitschko bending over and turning his shoulder to Peter is also offering his back. In several occassions in both the Toney and Klitschko fights, it can be argued that they turned their backs thus comitting admonishable behavior themselves. Yet all the focus is always on what Peter is doing, so nobody notices.

    Just see for yourself. When a man grabs your left arm and turns his back to your face, there is nothing you can hit him with. Except that right hand off the side of the head. If he turns his head away from you, then you just committed a foul. Both behaviors are illegal.

    That may be true. And I think that Povetkin will be better suited to handle the inside grabbing than Sam Peter is. But besides that point, it is expected. Povetkin has a much better background than Sam Peter has. Maybe Peter will catch up but that remains to be seen. I fully expect Povetkin to give Waldo more trouble inside though, should Waldo try and grab Povetkin to death too.
     
  7. andyZOR

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    Verry good and valid point.
     
  8. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Many times during that fight Waldo did lunge in and grab. Check it out for yourself.
     
  9. brooklyn1550

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    At the time Peter fought McCline, he was better than the inactive Larry Donald that Povetkin fought.

    The Toney that Peter faced was ranked higher than Byrd at the time Povetkin beat him.
     
  10. Shpion

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    The problem with Peter is that he does it in every single fight, thus coming across as both skilless and dirty. That is why everybody points it out.

    While I am a stronger opposer of excesive clinching, it is ref's responsibility to first quickly seperate the fighters and if needed deduct a point from one that is initiating such. For repeated hitting on the back of the head I would not only deduct points but disqualify at some point.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

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    It could be classified as dirty, but it doesn't make him skill-less.
     
  12. Ambition_Def

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    To be fair, Klitschko was doing a big amount of clinching long before the initial rabbit punch. So by your standards, Klitschko would have been DQ'd long before.
     
  13. Shpion

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    I am not sure why we are turning back to Klitschko again but I personally would disqualify for clinching only if there is no or little action is the fight. In Klitschko vs. Peter there was plenty of action as we saw on Peters face at the end of the fight.

    That being said, the ref. should have at least warned or gave a point deduction for excessive clinching to Klitschko.
     
  14. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    We're talking about clinching versus rabbit punching. So of course it is going to revolve around Peter-Klitschko.

    Your feelings on how often he clinches and it's abuse will change drastically when he faces Povetkin. Of that I am sure.

    And yes, I wish he would have warned him as well. When you let a guy get off scott-free is when he abuses it the worst. The difference between Randy Newman and Robert Byrd is night and day. If Sam Peter is to have any sort of future both Duva and DKP had better make sure the officials know of this turning the back strategy.

    Just imagine what would have happened if Robert Byrd (who reffed Brewster-Klitschko 1) was in there instead of Randy Newman. Clinchko would have gotten knocked out.
     
  15. Alcaldemb

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    We got some Povetkin hate going on here. For starters Toney was the definition of shot and immobile, I picked Peter to beat him twice because he was clearly shot in the Rahman fight. Byrd, as far as slick defense fighters, had much more left in the tank than Toney. McCline better than Donald? You've gotta be kidding. McCline and Donald have comparable power but Donald is more skilled, has a better chin and doesn't gas after six rounds.

    Also this talk of power is a joke. Peter has not stopped anyone of quality, and in fact showed nothing resembling power in the McCline fight. He was unable to stun a severely gassed McCline, he was unable to really hurt a blown up shot middleweight in Toney, he was unable to hurt Robert Hawkins, he was unable to stop Charles Shufford, and he never really hurt Wlad as those KD's were the result of two rabbit punches and Wlad being off balanced.

    Povetkin has stopped Byrd, only the third man to do it, and bombed out solid fighters like Bostice (went the distance with Brock and Krasniqi), and one punched out Bango who had only been stopped after six with Valuev. Povetkin is not a tremendous one punch puncher, but he has power, clearly he does since he has KO'd 79 percent of his opposition to Peter's 73 percent. If Povetkin wins his next two fights by KO his KO percentage will be up to 88%. All this talk of Povetkin not having power is BS. He has power like Andrew Golota, not spectacular like Wlad, but enough to hurt and potentially stop most heavies on any given night.