Which of these ATGs did Bud Crawford Out-Jump after tonight?

By Beating the much overrated Canelo?
Not one of them he jumps.
In fact , Canelo's showing against his two very best opponents ( Certainly not great in my opinion)
In May Jr. And Crawford where he may have won two rds against those two demonstrates how protected by fighting certain style opponents Alvarez has been.
Hell , even Khan was giving Alvarez a boxing lesson until he got caught .
Canelo is overrated, and never was as good as social media influencers would like for everyone else to believe.
Like most boxers of the last 10-15 yrs .
Canelo, Joshua,Fury, Wilder, Loma, Usyk, all of them are boxers that may not have been in the top ten in certain era's.
That doesn't make Crawford and ATG, after watching him fight Canelo last night and seeing all the holes in his game.
It only demonstrated Canelo's lack of physical and mental abilities to find them.
Crawford doesn't pass any ATG because of this victory.
Though he probably is better than Hopkins who is also on your list, and is just as overrated as Alvarez.

 

Some are putting Crawford into the same league as Harry Greb and Henry Armstrong after last night? Stupid....

 

True Crawford would dominate both

 

I put him above only Hopkins , partly because I’m not the biggest Hopkins fan

 

I imagine most the forum would still rank him below most or all of them.

But if he moves up to LHW and wins again? Possibly a different story.

 

The only reason Bud beats Henry is because he is like 60lbs heavier. Greb would maul Crawfish

 

And you can say that based on all the great footage we have of Greb?

 

Boxing is a bit of an odd duck in that people often overlook the bottom end of a fighter’s body of work and accept excuses.

I get ignoring/forgiving the end-of-career runs of guys who fought on past their sell-by dates for reasons of money (Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson) or ego (Roy Jones Jr … of whatever it was that drove him to keep fighting).

I don’t get ’he was out of shape, couldn’t be bothered to train’ (which is literally his job) that you see for Roberto Duran and Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas. Or ‘he was rusty because he didn’t get enough ring work since he knocked guys out so quick’ (Sonny Liston) — yet others who have a lot of quick KOs seem to perform well (and so did Sonny in this instance until he ran into Ali).

Imagine debating the greatest baseball pitchers of all time and saying ‘well, he had a great ERA except for that stretch where he didn’t warm up and gave up 10 home runs a game for amonth’ or the greatest QBs and being like ‘yeah, he didn’t study film before those games where he threw 5 interceptions a week for half a season.’ You don’t see tennis players considered great for winning a few Grand Slam event but getting ousted in the first round a lot because they got fat, lol.

In most sports, not taking your job seriously is a factor in not being considered great. Or they just ignore excuses and look at what the record shows. Babe Ruth was fat and drunk a lot of the time but he still hit home runs at a ridiculous pace in his prime.

If Duran (or James Toney) had shown up out of shape one time and learned a lesson from it so it never happened again, it’s a different matter than it happening constantly. At some point the excuse really is ‘I don’t take my job seriously,’ and that is a barrier to true greatness — it’s the difference between a golfer dominating an era or winning The Masters or U.S. Open a couple of times when he actually prepared.

I also think Duran (and some others, Tony included) gave himself built-in excuses — fail to get ready then shrug if you lose and say ‘well I didn’t train hard.’ It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

To me, if Duran and Crawford were to fight in some mythical time machine matchup at whatever weight, we know Bud shows up in shape. There’s a 50/50 chance Roberto would.

 

I think that

I have to admit, it is becoming difficult to find comparisons, without resorting to that kind of fighter.

 

Based on the account of all the great boxers he fought and beat, which are hundreds of times better than the entire opposition Crawford has faced in his whole career.

 

So basically nothing, good to know. Get back to me when you have actual footage instead of just throwing Boxing Rec at me.

 

Perspective...
Weight jumping was a very different animal back when you made weight at 2pm and fought at 8 or 9. It was rare to see guys move up through multiple weight classes unless they started very young and naturally grew, or were very tall and boiled down.
With same day weigh ins, guys start learning to manipulate their weight the same day they learn to throw a jab. For years it has been common knowledge that Crawford is a 190 pound guy between fights- I have had fighters fight on his cards, fighters that shared a promoter, and I have been able to get amateurs sparring within his training camps- yet he boiled down to ridiculously low weights. That was not possible years ago so comparing him to the old time guys is off base.
Same day weigh ins destroyed boxing.

 

Even if that is true, P4P lists are based primarily on resume. Crawrord's resume can't hold a candle to Armstrong or Greb.

 

We do have footage of Tunney who was an excellent boxer.

 

Never said he could