Which of these fighters does Jack Johnson have the best chance to beat

Yes

 

Which puncher did he face that landed? Ketchel and he nearly Ko'd Johnson, a super middle weight type. If you go on an exhibition match, Gunboat Smith TKO'd him in 1909 when Johnson was champion. You could say Hart was a decent hitter. Okay I'll agree. Johnson didn't win that one.

The best punchers around from 1909-1915 were Langford, Mcvey, Smith, McCarty, Jeannette, Wills and Willard. Johnson is 0-1 here, and 0-1 in the ex match vs Smith. The rest he didn't fight.

Or reversed which puncher in their prime did Johnson beat from 1901-1915?

 

I don't care about exibitions. Ali was KD-ed in his sparrings too, but he had amazing chin.

Ketchel landed the punch he wouldn't land in next 100 tries and Johnson got up immediatly and KO him seconds later. Bad example to be honest.

He lost fight with Hart, but due to his lack of agression. Hart didn't land that much on him. He faced McVey in his prime, Sam peaked at young age and didn't improve that much after Johnson fights. He completely dominated and clowned him. He also faced Jeanette, not at his best but still Joe never was close to KO him (not that I consider him a huge hitter).

He faced Langford, smaller version of Langford of course but Sam didn't have much success either.

Denver Ed Martin was solid hitter and he didn't have success against Jack. Frank Moran wasn't great fighter by any means but he was strong hitter and he didn't impress Johnson. Willard didn't stop overweighted Jack until 26th round.

Either Johnson had very strong chin, or he was simply ATG defensive fighter. I happen to believe that he had more than solid chin (but can be KO-ed) AND he was ATG defensive fighter. You don't seem to like Johnson though, which is fine I guess. You don't have to like him but try to be objective. 14 years of boxing at the highest level at HW without KO loss means a lot. In fact, show me example of a fighter with bad chin at HW who did something similar.

 

How?

 

Not only his age, but his birthplace ,and how many fights he had are still matters of debate.

 

An early record of his says he had several of his earliest fights in Aus, but I've never found any record of this.

 

Johnson was still very green when he fought Choynksi and Ketchel was more of a flash knockdown.

I think the only 2 fighters that would give Johnson problems would be Louis and Dempsey.

Johnson beats Marciano, Tunney and Norton.

 

So your stance is that of the 64 men that Johnson met between the Choynski ko in1901, and the Willard one in1915.
Johnson either met no punchers, or was so clever, none of them that were punchers could land enough punches on him to knock him out?
Am I correct on this?

 

Jonson would have the best chance with Norton and Dempsey, Jack got hit often with the jab by Tunney because he used to dip his head forwards as he came in bringing his head nearer to Tunney`s lead hand giving him less reaction time to evade, Johnson would have landed a lot more jabs on Dempsey than the other fighters on this list, Norton was easier to hit than the others two but he dealt with Ali`s jab very well by jabbing with him, if he did this v Johnson he might beat him, so Norton may have fared better v Johnson than Dempsey, but I`d say these are the two easiest to beat out of this list.

 

I think that people who compare Johnson to other typical boxers are mistaken. Jack was just as clever as Ali, Tunney, Holmes and other boxing masters but he's far different fighter than them.

 

Take the rose colored glasses off,

Prime Johnson is light years ahead of the one foot in the grave balding Pensioners Marcianio fought, fact, all his signature wins are against washed up has beens......there is not ONE live Prime talent on his record.

Marciano, crude, off balance, lunging in while missing by a mile would eat a insane amount of uppercuts against Johnson

 

For the sake of argument,lets assume the underlined is correct.
Of those you mentioned Johnson met 3.
Langford never floored Johnson, Jeannette never floored Johnson in 5 meetings,McVey never floored him in 3 meetings.
Other good punchers he met like Burns never floored him,Moran,never floored him.Butler,Martin,Kaufman ,never floored him. Willard didnt floor him until the 26th round when Johnson was37 and exhausted.
How do you account for this?
It's very strange, because the statements you make about him and the statistical results he managed don't appear to add up .

 

1-4 if he is lucky enough to beat Tunney, and a good shot at Norton, the others he can't beat.

 

Anyone one of these men would be Johnson best win by a good margin. Johnson's best win over an opponent in his prime was likely Burns, who goes 0-5 here. Conversely, all of the above men beat better men than Tommy Burns.


Johnson problem here are multiple. He doesn't throw many punches ( films will show this ) his defense wouldn't work vs. good Jabbers ( Jack O'brien fight proved that ) and his chin vs. power punchers who land wasn't the best.


I'd make him an underdog in all of the above fights, but you asked who does he have the best chance to beat.


After some thought, I'm going change my pick and say Dempsey who could very well steamroll Johnson but lacked defense, and stamina in the later rounds meaning if Johnson survived the first four rounds, he could take over later. Louis kept his poise and power in the later rounds, and just had too much accuracy.