Which of these fighters faced the worst calibre opposition?

]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS · Apr 1, 2009

Triplesod said: ↑

How did I know that Joe Cal and Ricky would be the two most voted?

OK. I cannot disagree with Joe, although I think many Americans over look and under rate much of his opposition (not due to any kind of xenophobia, bigotry or obnoxiousness and arrogance, simply because you are not so familiar with the names) it is true that he didn't come near to proving himself until, well, not even Lacy but Kessler (there were blips here and there like Eubank, who though not peek was still a force to be reckoned with, it's just his heart and desire to destroy had completely deserted him with the Watson fight and seeing what had happened to McClellen.

It is completely unfair though to suggest Ricky has fought poor opposition. Completely untrue, unfair and disrespectful not only to Ricky but also to the fighters he has beat.

People go on and on about the only good names on his list being well past it but this is just shite! OK, they weren't prime but they were still highly rated and were still winning bouts AND they were still thought to walk all over Ricky and destroy him!

I've seen all your posts, you wankers who have this weird, obsessive hatred for Ricky for no other reason than... what? I just cannot understand it. Out of all the boxers out there ruining the sport, you pick on someone who has made it so more entertaining, is a cracking fighter and decent boxer, who has the heart of a lion and makes all his fights entertaining for seasoned fight fans and those with only the most general of interest in the sport. He is hugely respected by all the other boxers out there. Hopkins and Jones, Kessler, JMM and all the Mexicans cannot speak highly enough of him! Even Mayweather has claimed his win against Ricky to be one of his toughest fights yet and that Rick was certainly the toughest man he has fought. He brings in millions of dollers and thousands and thousands of new people to the sport. He is completely respectful to people in the game and to the supporters. I mean, I could go on and that isn't even to mention what he is like outside the ring. Many of you have just decided, without any evidence at all (in fact, with all evidence to the contrary) that he is a horrible person and that everything he has said or anyone has said about him being down to Earth is bull****. This is the kind of blind obnoxiousness I hate. Just makiing things up about the guy to further your weird agenda's! The fact is, he really is one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Not one of the nicest sports stars or celebs, one of the nicest member of the public you could meet. I don't say this through presumption or because I heard people in Boxing say it, I say it because I know the man, live up the road from him and because it's completely TRUE!!

Anyway, dunno where all that came from. This was only supposed to be a very quick post, a paragraph. I guess I got carried away <blush>

The point is, so many of you who hate Ricky (and so many of you who are without bias and good, knowledgable fans of the sport) laughed at the idea of Rick fighting Kostya or Castillo et al. You had decided Ricky had no chance and was going down early.
Of course this never happened and suddenly those fighters are past it, worn out and a shell of their former selves. Where was that criticism before the fights? It wasn't coming from you! You know who you are and many of us remember who you were.

It is just so ****ing disrespectful to all fighters. If you ever get the opportunity to speak to that ****ing wonderful boxer, Kostya Tszyu, ask him about the Hatton fight. He will tell you exactly where he was pre-fight and during the fight and he will tell you that the better man won on the night. He is now a big fan of Hattons and speaks to him regularly. Especially before one of Rick's fights to wish him all his luck and give advice if he can.

Castillo also has never taken anything away from Ricky and claims the knock out blow to be possibly the best punch he has ever taken.

Both these proud men would be pretty disgusted with the way Rick's fight against them has been so pathetically maligned by you and they would be very angry to hear how you boxing all time greats belittle their performance and careers by the way you speak about them due to losing those fights.

You really don't deserve exciting fighters who put their all into everything in that ring for your pleasure! Yes, no matter how many of you tell yourselves Rick is all about the money, that doesn't make it true. Like any intelligent person, he wants to earn as much as he can to give his family the best life he can offer but he fights because he loves it and he continued after a period of deep depression where he questioned his own talent and whether he was anywhere near as good as he thought he was, after his first and only loss, he continued for the fans and he fights as he does for the fans. As do so many boxers (unfortunately though not nearly enough).

Every boxer deserves our respect, some more and some less than others but Ricky has never done anything that deserves anything less than the deepest respect. His colleagues give him that, I cannot understand why you can't.

**** me!! Is it my time of the month already!?!dead
What a boring, PMT **** I am!!
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holy **** stfu....i mean, i read the first two paragraphs and was :tired lol i agree with what i read though. Hatton is exciting to watch. :good

IsaL · Apr 1, 2009

Miguel Cotto:

Antonio Margarito
Shane Mosley
Carlos Quintana
Zab Judah

Joe Calzaghe:

Mikkel Kessler
Bernard Hopkins
Jeff Lacy
Roy Jones Jr.

They're about the same but Bernard Hopkins makes the difference.

So I say Cotto has the worst Resume of all.

JMP · Apr 1, 2009

cotto

Triplesod · Apr 1, 2009

]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS;3727693 said:

holy **** stfu....i mean, i read the first two paragraphs and was :tired lol i agree with what i read though. Hatton is exciting to watch. :good
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Haha. I know. **** knows where all that came from but at least I admit that it was a ****ing crazy and crazed post to make

The unfortunate thing is, I don't start the self deprecation till right at the very end and no one is going to read a ****ing dissertation, especially one so rambling and badly written to see me accept that it's a rubbish, womany post

EDIT: I recommend anyone replying to me not quote my whole ****ing essay, or else this site is going to be out of bandwidth by tomorrow!

]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS · Apr 1, 2009

to Triplesod:

LOL with all the **** you wrote you could've gotten to your thousandth post if u separated it @ least your **** made sense (well the part i read at least) :good

NALLEGE · Apr 1, 2009

KingKrish said: ↑

U decide and explain!
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Pacquiao. He's fought past it against guys who only had a name when he finally fought them. Pac's only had maybe 3-5 tough fights. Both J.M.M fights and the first Morales fight. Throw in Hussein and the past it Larios, and you got 5 fights. Seven if you count his losses.

CASH_718 · Apr 1, 2009

Cobbler said: ↑

No it really doesn't.

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That leaves you Mosley who, even now, is rated below Hopkins in most peoples P4P rankings and was significantly so at the time of the respective fights.

Calzaghe clearly has the better opposition without even getting to the two names you actually came up with, but like I say, the question ain't really fair on Cotto, given that Calzaghe has finished his career and Cotto, hopefully for him, has yet to reach the peak of his.
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atsch

First 30 fights.

Cotto:

Ceasar Bazan
Carlos Maussa
Lovemore N'Dou
Kelson Pinto
Randell Bailey
DeMarcus Corley
Muhammad Abdulleav
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paulie Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana
Oktay Urkal
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Calzaghe:

Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
David Starie
Omar Sheika
Richie Woodhall
Mario Veit

:think

Cobbler · Apr 1, 2009

Pinto? Abdulaev? Are you trying to prove anything other than that you can list more names from Cotto's resume off the top of your head than from Calzaghes?

NALLEGE · Apr 1, 2009

CASH_718 said: ↑

atsch

First 30 fights.

Cotto:

Ceasar Bazan
Carlos Maussa
Lovemore N'Dou
Kelson Pinto
Randell Bailey
DeMarcus Corley
Muhammad Abdulleav
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paulie Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana
Oktay Urkal
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

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You can ball some of these guys up, and throw them in the gobbage lol... you've got to be @!#$@! kidding lol:nut

NALLEGE · Apr 1, 2009

Cobbler said: ↑

Pinto? Abdulaev? Are you trying to prove anything other than that you can list more names from Cotto's resume off the top of your head than from Calzaghes?
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roly · Apr 1, 2009

watsinango said: ↑

Voted Hatton. Take out Tszyu, Castillo in his ledger.
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lol how can you take them out if he fought them?

CASH_718 · Apr 1, 2009

Cobbler said: ↑

Pinto? Abdulaev? Are you trying to prove anything other than that you can list more names from Cotto's resume off the top of your head than from Calzaghes?
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Guys like Pinto and Abdulleav would be in Calzaghe top 10 best wins.

rapidHOOK · Apr 1, 2009

CASH_718 said: ↑

Guys like Pinto and Abdulleav would be in Calzaghe top 10 best wins.
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:deal

very true

KingKrish · Apr 2, 2009

UliUli said: ↑

Miguel Cotto:

Antonio Margarito
Shane Mosley
Carlos Quintana
Zab Judah

Joe Calzaghe:

Mikkel Kessler
Bernard Hopkins
Jeff Lacy
Roy Jones Jr.

They're about the same but Bernard Hopkins makes the difference.

So I say Cotto has the worst Resume of all.
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Its not who you fight, but when you fight them.

There is a reason why Joe tops the list. PEople would really recognize Hopkins as a top cailbre opponent. Hes been exposed to risk far less than the other hence his unbeaten record.

Jermaine Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice! and faced Winky Wright.

DINAMITA · Apr 2, 2009

If you're talking purely about the calibre of the opposition and not results, I'd say Calzaghe is a pretty clear winner - one of the many reasons I have always said the guy's career is horribly, spectacularly, criminally overrated.

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