Which of these heavyweights would you be most shocked to see be knocked out in 1

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Chris Warren, Sep 17, 2009.


  1. SpanishArcher

    SpanishArcher Knockout Artist Full Member

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    1. Douglas knocked out Tyson due to systematic beatdown and fatigue (as you said about Foreman).

    2. Holyfield never knocked out Tyson (that knockdown was a shot to the chest wich was caused by Tyson rushing in and being out of balance).

    3. Lewis KO'ed Tyson early? :think Well if 8th round is early for you, then cool. :rofl Again that was after 8 round of bombing Mike and waiting until he's too tired to even stand. LL even had to push Mike down after that huge right hand.

    4. Tyson had a knee ligament torn in the Williams fight. Thats why he had surgery 4 days after the fight. It was obvious Williams didnt hurt Tyson with the punches. But as I had a knee ligament torn before I well know the pain.

    5. McBride never hurt or put down Tyson. Tyson quit due to being too tired to go on (while being ahead on the scorecards).

    Again you will call all these FACTS excuses, but whatever works for you. :good Fact is Mike was legitimatly KO'ed only twice againts Douglas and againts Lewis. Both were a result of taking a long being and fatigue more then the power itself. See the first Bruno fight and both Ruddock fights to see Tyson taking all kinds of bombs flush on the chin by these big punchers. :deal

    And to the guy who said Foreman would put Tyson out quickly. Tyson is not Fraizer. He has much more power in BOTH hands (not just the left hook) much more speed and a better chin then Fraizer. For every punch Foreman would (if he could) land on Mike he would eat 3 punches he wouldnt even see (beacuse of the speed factor). If it wasent for Mike's deffence + combination punching + speed I would say Foreman wipes him up.
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    Ali without a doubt. Not only did he have about as good a chin and heart as anybody else in history, he was elusive as hell.
     
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None of these guys is likely to get taken out in one, but in the case of Foreman/Tyson, Mike would have to contend with George's manhandling and ability to neutralize Tyson's offense by shoving him back and keeping him at arm's length. For these reasons, assuming Mike would be able to outscore him by three to one might be a risky assertion.

    At the very end of Tyson/Smith, Bonecrusher rocked him with a single shot. Had Smith gotten himself uncorked at the beginning of any three minute stanza (as he previously did in round ten against Bruno), we might well have seen Mike taken out as the result of a single round of action.

    While I'm not sure who I'd be most shocked by getting knocked out in round one, I'm comfortable saying Tyson is not the least likely candidate. (I hadn't considered the end of Tyson/Smith when I made my first post, and that strengthens my opinion that George could have done it.)
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since mentioning his first match with Cooper, I've considered Ali's title defense against Shavers. By Muhammad's own well known admission, Earnie hit him the hardest of any opponent. Because Shavers didn't have the greatest killer instinct, he was duped by Ali's clowning, but repeatedly buckled the champion's knees with single right hands throughout their match. What if he had done that in the opening seconds and then gone for broke? The GOAT has implied he might have been ready to be taken, but we'll never know how things would have gone if Earnie had accurately sensed and pressed his advantage. Is Ali really the least likely candidate to be taken out in one among those listed? (He may well be, but I don't know that choosing him over the others is that easy.)
     
  5. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought of Tyson's style factoring in as well, but in the exact opposite way - his fast, aggressive starts leave him potentially open to get caught, no? Sure, the opponent has to deal with it, but aggression breeds opportunity. Similar thought for Tua.

    Someone like Ali, though, I don't see getting into a firefight in round 1 (just looked it up: other than the dodgy Liston KO1, he had only 1 other KO1, in this 4th fight against a last minute 1-2 subsitute ("Robinson was a last minute substitute for Willie Guelat, who failed to appear." - boxrec)).

    I don't think anyone tracks down Ali and pounds him out in 1. He's my pick. Probably a different answer if not round 1, though.
     
  6. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah... good point.

    Damn good point.
     
  7. Muchmoore

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    I can't see Ali getting knocked out in the first. The guys balls, chin, defense etc etc etc were on a whole other level.

    McCall too. The guy is indestructable.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Ali of course.
     
  9. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    I never said Lewis knocked out Tyson early i said he could have but toyed with him

    Holyfield still knocked Tyson out, He was out on his feet and the ref saved him

    Douglas wasnt known for being a hard puncher but he still iced Tyson, I dont give a damn how many rounds it took a light puncher knocked him out

    Tyson hurt his knee against Danny Williams? Awwww, the point is he got knocked out. Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw but he didnt go down. A warrior keeps fightings

    Kevin McBride did hurt Tyson, when Tyson walked back to his corner before he quit he look like his legs were gone


    Frazier knocked down Ali and Shavers could not. That alone shows you how fighters lie. Ali has a problem with Frazier so he isnt going to give him praise. Shavers hit Ali over and over flush and couldnt put him down.

    As I said i couldnt imagine Ali or Foreman being stopped in 1 round but most of you act like Ali was or is god. His chin wasnt as great as you pretend. Ali could be hurt by 1 punch and was many times in his career. Ali could recover from being hurt quicker than anybody else not to mention he grabbed and held anytime he got hurt. Ali is a mortal you people and if a big time puncher could catch him early they could knock him out.

    I also said you could name some other 200 plus pound heavyweights who were durable to mention. Maybe a fighter like Ray Mercer should be on this list
     
  10. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No? You mean I hallucinated that fight getting stopped in the 11th round and Holyfield winning by TKO?

    Wow, looks like someone even taped the hallucination and put it on youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsGH8KHHVqo
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would be shocked the most at seeing McCall ko'ed in 1 or ANY round for that matter, because of his percieved invincibility chinwise.
     
  12. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    Well I couldnt picture anybody knocking McCall down period since he was never knocked down or hurt period by any fighter he got in the ring with.
     
  13. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    The Wanderer Tyson nutt huggers always make excuses for him. Either he was to old when he lost or he didnt really lose. Holyfield clearly knocked him out. Douglas was a light puncher and still stopped him. Could you imagine Douglas knocking out Holyfield, . McCall, Bowe, Mercer or any other fighter known for having a great chin?

    Nope I doubt you could, Tyson didnt have a great chin.
     
  14. SpanishArcher

    SpanishArcher Knockout Artist Full Member

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    WOW! People actually dont know the difference bewteen a KO and a TKO! :patsch
     
  15. SpanishArcher

    SpanishArcher Knockout Artist Full Member

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    Jesus! You are comparing a broken jaw to a torn knee ligament?! :rofl Get outa here!
    And Tysons leg's were gone in the Williams fight due to fatigue! (your much loved EXCUSE for Foreman - since you like the word excuse) not by McBride.