Which Other ATG Middleweights Would Sugar Ray Leonard Have A Chance To Outbox

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    At the tail end of their careers? We're interested in the version that "beat" Hagler.

    Carlos Monzon - The last fight of his career.
    Dick Tiger - Just before he moved up to Ligh-Heavy
    Bernard Hopkins - The Oscar De La Hoya guy
    Charley Burley - The man who retired unable to find a foe
    Jake LaMotta - The St.Valentines Day Massacre version

    What chance would you give him of picking up the decision over 12 agains each of these guys?


    Please let's try not to get into a "did he or didn't he" beat Hagler thing, and just agree that that was a very close fight.
     
  2. hdog

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    Thought Monzon looked pretty damn good against Valdez. Don't see Leonard beating that guy.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Yes, I think if you were going to list them in terms of chances, Monzon would be the last guy you would see Leonard beating, even at the end of his career.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Dick Tiger - Just before he moved up to Light-Heavy

    Grifith out pointed him around this time; so why not? Well, Grifith was an enormously strong welter, in terms of upper body. He clinched and wasn't bullied there. Leonard does not have this option. The criticism that is often levelled at Hagler - that he should have been more aggressive from the outset - would never be levelled at Tiger, he only fought one way. However - he somtimes held back when he should have punched, waiting for the better opportunity. He also struggled against runners and Leonard would perhaps be the ultimate at Middle. Finally, Tiger often laboured under the impression he was winning against this type of fighter when he was tied or losing. Leonard could win this one I feel, in a similair vein to the way he beat Hagler. Last two could be touch and go though.




    Bernard Hopkins - The Oscar De La Hoya guy

    Not for me. I think we'd even see something similair to the De La Hoya fight but with Leonard making the bell. Disagree?


    Charley Burley - The man who retired unable to find a foe

    If Leonard survives a rocky opening three I think he would drop a wide UD to Burley - Burley is the only fighter at or near peak when matched up to Leonard here. Peak for peak at welter this could be very different.

    Jake LaMotta - The St.Valentines Day Massacre version.

    Not in a million years. Impossible.
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LaMotta kills Leonard Valentines Day 1951.
    Monzon I thought beat Valdes eay 2nd fight. Punching accuracy was unbelievable. Stops LEONARD in 5.

    Never saw Burley so no opinion.
    Have very low opinion of Hopkins. Therefore, Ray by decision. Or until ***** Hopkins fakes an injury.

    Leonard is never beating Tiger. He was a real fighter.
     
  6. emallini

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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Leonard would throw far less punches against B-Hop than Calzaghe did so would land even less punches I feel, without his welter hand speed RAy would really struggle to hit Hop.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    GGG would have destroyed Ray.
     
  9. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mark you are in prison aren't you? Thats why the stabbing and beatings.
     
  10. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Out-box many. Beat none. He didn't beat Hagler either.