Which other heavy weight champ could have defeated ali in FOTC as convincingly as frazier?

Who could have done it, and dropped ali in the process?
Any champ from any era, takes it to ali like Joe for 15 rounds and puts him on the canvas?

 

Tyson had the right style but I don't know if he had the stamina or long term focus to do it.

 

a few, ali hadnt tuned up properly... though that was ostesibly his fault and an inherent flaw as a boxer

 

Jack johnson, joe louis, holyfield (holy wouldnt be able to drop him tho).

It took insane stamina, good timing, high ring iq, good body shots, and endurance to chase a young Ali around the ring and eat jabs, right crosses, and flurries for 15 rounds.

 

I'm not sure tyson would have the stamina Mr M, to be honest. Even against a perhaps still slightly rusty ali, he would still need to be putting pressure on him for 15 rounds. And as much as tyson had speed and power he's not stopping ali imo. In fact I see a ali behind on point s probably stopping tyson late on.

 

U hit the nail on the head with that regarding having to chase him for 15 rounds and eating jabs and crosses. I don't see many been able to do that, and still drop him and win a unanimous Dec on top

 

Of the three u mentioned, Louis is probably the most dangerous. He could most likely really hurt ali, he certainly had the precise punch.

 

Yeah i cant think of too many other heavies who had the grit, determination and power to apply pressure for 15 against a near prime ali who could still stick and move. Vitali was too slow and robotic and was susceptible to cuts, tyson lacked stamina and late round power.

Holmes had the skill but not the power to dop Ali late like Frazier did.

 

Dempsey, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Vitali, Wlad, Liston, Walcott, Johnson, Holmes, Tyson, Foreman.

If you haven't caught on, Ali was very beatable that night.

 

I think tyson beats him, this isnt 1967 ali. Tysons stamina before prison is underrated, he just sometimes became lazy, less aggressive and clinched more when he had a tall guy easily beat and was dominating him but had difficulty stopping him. He was still FULL of energy after beating up Mitch green for 10 rounds(go watch the last round he is still full of bounce) and showed no stamina problems against tucker( even at an IMO too high bodyweight of 221) both of which spent almost no time on the ropes like ali might. He did not fall asleep or try to force clinches against ruddock in the second fight when he by no means had the fight won and was in with a dangerous opponent. I would definitely bet on tyson from Biggs to Spinks beating FOTC ali but thats just my opinion. Probably a 9-6 or 10-5 UD. Ali was incredibly hard to stop because of his size reach chin heart and survival/spoiling skills

 

Also a guy like Ibeabuchi at 235-245 pounds of muscle with power and crazy stamina, i think ALI may just get overwhelmed by the volume and firepower of a guy who is bigger stronger, somewhat skilled with great stamina.
Lennox Lewis i think would win but that fight could go a number of ways. Holmes and Bowe vs FOTC ali are both very close.
Holyfield was not in his element as "the hunter" and tbh although he is one of my favorite fighters, never proved that he could deal that well with a tall quick mover like ali/prime holmes/tucker. Prime holyfield made too many mistakes and was too irresponsible defensively. Holyfield 93 and later may have had the size and strength to bully ali nd was a much smarter fighter but didnt throw that many punches and was slower/fought in spurts. Ali beats him.

 

Norton maybe

 

Lol read the op

Marciano would have been tkoed within 10 rounds. No way does a guy with a 67' reach and 188 lbs with poor defense pressure ali all night. Look at how ali handled the similar george chuvalo twice.

Tysons power faded after the 7th and was easy to tie up. He had no inside game, hed be food for Ali. His only chance would be to blitz him and stop him within the first four rounds (highly unlikely). He isnt going 15 and he isnt dropping Ali late the way frazier did.

Walcott and holmes arent dropping ali in a million years. Holmes couldnt even knockdown a 38 year old stationary, parkinsons ridden ali.

Ali beat liston twice and beat rhe even bigger stronger foreman when he was past his prime so how the hell does an even older liston pull it off?

Foreman lost to an even older ali and couldnt drop him.

The other choices are reasonable (wlad, lewis, louis, vitali, dempsey).

 

Fraziers night.
I dont think anyone can duplicate what he did.

 

"Lol read the op"

op: "Who could have done it, and dropped ali in the process?
Any champ from any era, takes it to ali like Joe for 15 rounds and puts him on the canvas?"

Have you seen the FOTC? Ali's legs were trash. He was crap for 15 rds. Marciano would have had no problem staying on Ali for 15 rds. Weight doesn't matter if he punched harder than 240 lbrs and had a great chin to go with it. Not to mention he was very hard to tie up. Do you even understand why weight is a factor?

Tyson had power throughout the entire fight what are you talking about? Just because a puncher goes the distance doesn't mean they faded.

Walcott has a chance of making ANY heavyweight in history look like crap including knocking them down. I'll give you Holmes but that's it.

Do you realize this thread is about "any champ from any era"? Prime Liston would bulldoze Ali on prime Ali's worst day (FOTC).

FOTC Ali wasn't as good as rumble in the jungle Ali. Foreman would stop FOTC Ali.