Which other heavy weight champ could have defeated ali in FOTC as convincingly as frazier?

Frazier was a weak unathletic fighter i think every boxing fan knows his poor and pathetic "The superstars" performance.
Otherwise Douglas version Tyson is nothing to do with Rooney.
You used a very bad example Ellis(who was a 39-11-1 shot fighter ) .I think this win doesn't prove Frazier was a stronger late round fighter than the prime Tyson.
Mathis hm... To me he looked like an undertrained fighter.
You couldn't prove the Rooney version Tyson had stamina problems.

 

Totally agree here. Frazier was awesome that night.

 

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"Weak unathletic" fighters dont have the stamina to swarm and fight in the trenches for 15 rounds. The word youre looking for is "talent". He lacked the natural talent of a lean or built flexible athlete but he had a very srong stocky body and worked hard in the gym every day. Have you read about his training regiment? Few people can keep up with it.

Ellis is better than a lot of the bums tyson was knocking out. He wasnt washed up he won the heavyweight tournament in one of the most competitive eras of all time. Regardless, it proves frazier had late round power thats the whole point of the conversation.

Same thing with Mathis, he was a legitimate ranked belt holder. Outside of Ribalta Tyson doesnt have any kos, stoppages, or even knockdowns past the 7th round. Thats not a debate, its a fact. I dont care if you dont like it, im not going to debate facts with you.

Fraziers gameplan worked be because ali did not like being constantly crowded and pressured. Tyson had a great left hook but his style and lack of late round power and stamina meant he wouldnt be able to employ fraziers strategy. He actually sucked on the inside and wasnt half the pressure fighter frazier was. It would be more accurate to say he was an "ambush" fighter who suddenly dashed in and landed a blitzing combination or counter (like pacquiao). Then he had to stop and reset or clinch. He didnt apply constant pressure and stay right in his opponents face like a Chavez or porter.

 

I don't think to many fighters could've beaten this version of Ali. Only fighters I'd favor would be Liston, Louis, and Dempsey. I think Foreman might stop him as well. Not sure if Marciano had what it took.

 

Pressure and the lack of stamina through not having enough rounds in the previous 3.5 years beat Ali that night . Dempsey,Marciano,Liston,Foreman,and Tyson were pressure fighters.In the main the others were not .

 

Mathis had never beaten anyone of any note he was unranked by the Ring in fact he never was ranked by them.
He never held a belt either. he had 23 journeymen on his record when he fought Frazier.Only twelve of them had winning records.



Frazier knocked Ali down he didn't ko him so how is his late round power proven by this fight? Because Tyson knocked guys out quick that doesn't in itself mean he lacked late power.It can mean he hit them so hard they couldn't hang around.

 

I think Marciano would be stopped on cuts. Tyson would be KO'd later in the fight. Dempsey and Liston I feel would beat this Ali.

 

On that particular nite....going to the ropes against prime Dempsey might have not been a good idea.

 

Probably Rocky Marciano

 

Tyson would run out of gas and get beat up before he's stopped

 

No way, Mike Tyson would never beat Muhammed Ali, Tyson would never have taken the punishment Frazier did and keep coming. Ali stops Tyson the way Buster did around round 12 or 13.

 

Tyson wasn't as easy to hit either and he was better at taking single shots than Frazier.