Which possible future opponent can beat JMM the great?

PAC of course......but I think it will be by the end of 2009 early 2010 before PAC gets a 3rd "W" over Juan.

 

Getting a single legitimate one would be a start, for me he lost both!

 

Guz and Nate are both very good fighters...but going in there against a great one like Juan would have a highly probable outcome in that Juan would most likey win.....and win by KO. Juan would give him a little trouble in the begining but would end up back peddling and eating a heavy dose of leather by the mid to late rounds ending Guzzy's night. Nate would go blow for blow but he'd be eating more leather and getting touched with sharper counters by Juan and again...Juan would end up putting Nate to sleep in the later rounds.

 

Pacman of course , but I am surprised more people don't mention juan diaz.. he has incredible accuracy and speed (better boxing skills than pacman) just lacks power...

I can see him being able to find JMM's face all night

 

well, that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. but the fact still remains that pac is 1-0-1 vs. jmm. and the record books will always show that. :deal

 

For me it's 2 clear wins for PAC.....the first was a bogus win for JMM due to a technicality and the 2nd one was obviously clear that PAC won by at least 2 rounds, which is generous for JMM. THe KD wasn't even necessary IMO...it was just the icing on the cake.

 

the first was a draw due to a scoring error and the second was close with the KD being the difference.

 

B/c Juan is slower and has less power. His skills are very good but so is PAC's skills. THe main difference is where each man is in terms of thier "LEVEL". Pac is a couple of level's above Juan in terms of Talent, natrual and athletic ability as well as his god given gifts like his speed and power. Its an area where Juan will always lack which will keep him just outside of the highest level of the sport where PAC is presently sitting pretty.

And too many people are over looking JMM "D". It's very soild and he's a hard target to hit. Everyone is saying that b/c PAC can find his target on JMM that everyone can and that is just not the facts. PAC is hard to guage with regards to his speed until you are actually in the ring with him...his speed and power are deceptive which helps him in many fights.

 

Both fights were close....i'm not disputing that but the first fight was a "W" for PAC had it not been for the incompetant judge who scored the 1st round 10-7 instead of 10-6. On paper its a Draw but in reality the fight was a "W" for PAC.

THe 2nd fight was close as well but PAC won even more clearly than the 1st fight....the KD sealed the deal for anyone feeling this was an even fight.

 

You need to watch the second fight again, my friend.

Marquez was the one controlling most of the action and finished the stronger of the two.

No doubt the knockdown was significant, and both were in trouble at different times, but I had it 114-113 for JMM.

 

i disagree w/ you regarding jmm's D. for me, it's average at best. that's why he's hittable as seen in the barrera, pac, casa fights. even lower-tier fighters like jandaeng and jaca were able to rock jmm with some power shots. jmm lacks an adequate ability to slip and block punches due to his somewhat poor head and lateral movement as well as his hands/arms always being ready to counter-punch rather than block punches from time to time. he compensates for this w/ his great ability to counter-punch which makes his opponent hesitate to deliver punches. but over-all his D is somewhat lackluster especially against a fighter with a relentless offensive arsenal of speed and power (pac) and/or one with good to very good ability to counterpunch (barrera, casa, john).

 

I agree, two very close fights that could of gone either way, I scored both for Marquez but I'm a sucker for silky skills. I have no problem people thinking Pac won the bouts but they were far from definitive.

 

The only man from 135 down who can beat him is Pac - note I said 'can', not would. You can't separate them after 24 rounds, so either man could win over the next 12. Other than that chance, I don't see anyone else around beating JMM. He is rightfully p4p#2 (Pac's resume is slightly more impressive IMO), an elite fighter, brilliant.

 

no. i've watched pac-jmm2 about 7-8 times already. and each and every time, i scored it the very same way as i scored it the first time, 6-6 w/ the KD being the difference.

 

I have it on DVD and only needed to watch it twice to really come to a decision on who really won. The 1st time I watched I had PAC winning by 2 rounds but I was drunk that night.....the 2nd time watching it I have PAC winning by 3 rounds and I was sober.

Not to say the fight wasn't close b/c it was...I just find it hard for anyone to say JMM won....even edged b/c IMO PAC landed harder, more sharply and did more damage. But it is what it is...I think PAC deverved the win not only by what took place in the rematch but b/c of how JMM avoided PAC for years after knowingly getting a bogus decision the 1st go round.

I think Karma came back to bite his ass int he Chris John fight and after he circled back round to PAC for a Pay day got his ass bit again. If JMM was smart he would have taken the immediate rematch b/c that would have been when PAC wasn't as evolved as he is now. THe chances of him beating this version of PAC is slim.