Which referee did a worse job?

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    I'm trying to use really little words so you can understand.

    Bute goes down with two or three seconds left in the round. Being saved by the bell would be the bell ringing after those two or three seconds while Bute is still on the floor and the fight going to the judges. That's what 'saved by the bell' means.

    The rules say you cannot be saved by the bell in any round. That means that, despite the fact that there are only two or three seconds technically left in the fight, Bute still has to get up within the referees count of ten to avoid being loser by knockout. Once Bute does get up (and, again according to the rules, this is at the point where his gloves clear the floor) the fight is then over. It doesn't matter whether he's in a fit state to fight on, because the fight is over.

    I literally cannot explain it in any simpler terms than that. If you're too ******ed to understand that one, I can't help you.

    I just said that the bell rang later than it should have done. Timekeeper should have rang it as soon as Bute was on his feet. Same outcome though, so don't see how that would constitute a 'fix'
     
  2. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only one of these fights had to be stopped early due to teh ref allowing one fighter to foul another all night.
     
  3. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am firm and bald-Cortez.
     
  4. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    You can repeat yourself over and over again but it doenst mean anything.

    Wright's job is to look at a fighter and see if hes fit to continue with the fight no matter how much time is left. Fighters get KTFO on their feet all the time, thousands of guys beat the count according to the rules you are stating after a KD but still get waved off to continue. Bute was absolutely in no condition to continue and Wright didnt even check for it, whats so hard for you to understand that?
     
  5. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    The fight was over the moment he got up.CVan you undersntand that?

    The thounsands that beat the count aren't all by IBF rules which made this a special case.
     
  6. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Dave Parris officiating Hatton vs Tszyu was the worst I've ever seen.
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    The main problem is that you're completely and utterly wrong. 100% wrong. I've explained to you why you are wrong and how the rules that the fight was fought under prove that you're wrong. If you wanted to check how wrong you were you can go and read the rules for yourself.

    That probably wouldn't help, as your reading comprehension seems at about a seven year old level, but you could try.

    Despite all this, you just repeat the same arguments, which have already been proven wrong, over and over again. You haven't cited any rules yourself (you can't because they would show that you are wrong). You haven't tried to come up with some argument to show that referees have to consider anything other than the danger to the health of the fighter when deciding whether to stop a fight (not suprising as there isn't one).

    One more time for you. The fight finished, according to the rules, when Butes gloves cleared the floor. A referee does not need to check a fighters ability to fight on after the fight has finished.

    You're wrong in your basic premise.
     
  8. youcrazyboy

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    Who the hell cares about Bute? He is a nobody outside of Romania and Canada. If he is lucky the highlight of his career will be getting Koed by some of the Super sixers after they are all famous.

    As for Dirrell, running away all night doesn't earn you a world title. If you are goint to win on the back foot you have to be aggressive like PBF or Haye. I scored it for Froch clearly. Dirrell is a ***** and I hope he gets hospitalised like his compatriot by King Arthur. Thousands of Brits stayed up till 4am to watch that guy in US Army colors (War, it was more like Come Dance) run away and act like a *****. He acted the fool in the pre fight press conf and did the same in the ring. Gary Shaw is numero uno shitiest promoter in the US. I'll never forget his face at the Calazaghe v Lacy fight . He really believed Lacy would whip JC which shows how little he knows about boxing. He almost was crying telling his corner to get Lacy out of there.
     
  9. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Agreed. Bute is nothing special - he is very protected, and very overrated. As soon as he faces a top guy, he'll get destroyed. Hell, Andrade might knock him out (again) this weekend.
     
  10. Boom_Boom

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    You can insult as much as you want but it isnt helping your arguement.
    You havent proven anything you repetitively just say he was standing during the count so that means its ok there is no problem. The ref has to keep a look out for the fighter's safety its part of the job description. Whether you want to deny it or not, Wright didnt do his job, he wasnt looking out for Bute he was helping him. If in boxing we always followed the rules you are stating then you get more tragic endings similiar to Benny Paret. But its cool with you aslong as your fighter is the beneficiary of it right? :roll:
     
  11. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Without a doubt Wright. I mean he was probably paid off under the table or he's a serious Bute fan.

    The other guys were just a bit biased at times. Not anything close to Wright.
     
  12. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    And you once again repeat the same false premise. You just can't read, can you?

    What you're are saying applies during the fight.

    When Bute got up and his gloves cleared the floor, at that point, the fight was finished. This is clearly and explicitly stated in the rules that the fight was fought under.

    There is no possible further danger to either fighter because the fight had finished. Nothing further can possibly happen that might lead to a 'tragic ending because the fight had finished. The fight cannot then be 'stopped' by the referee because the fight had finished.
     
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Wright & Reiss both were extremely biased. Wright was blatently biased and should have been heavily censured
     
  14. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Did the bell ring?
     
  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    If you'd been actually reading my posts, you'd know that we'd already covered this. The timekeeper should have rung the bell as soon as Bute's gloves cleared the canvas. Bad job by the timekeeper.