Which Slick Black US Boxers Has Pacquiao Avoided? I would say they Avoided him!

With all due respect, what you just stated is a gross mischaracterization of what happened in Morales vs. Raheem. Raheem was moving, forcing Morales to reset his feet, while all the time cracking EM with strong hooks, counters, and leads.

He didn't run. He moved. Big difference.

Seriously, where is the 'running' in these clips? Where is the 'refusing to engage'?

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Well, the image I have in my mind is Erik Morales getting shot back all the way to the ropes and hurt, and Raheem not pressing his advantage. Then in the 12th Morales comes out with only one hand up and shakes it, and Raheem still just backs up and backs up and backs up. I guess I can't stand a guy who doesn't TRY to at least clearly hurt an opponent when he is outmatched and put that punctuation point on it. Raheem won the Morales fight, yes, I agree. But he did not take any risks even when he hurt Morales in that one round. When Mayweather hurt Ndou, he went all out and finished him off with an impressive barrage. I just wish, since Raheem WAS winning the fight, that he would have demonsrated his superiority with a more controlled ending. (Mayweather looked in control of Marquez the whole time, Spinks looked like he was slipping and falling against Mayorga and completely not in control - its very subtle but I think its a real distinction.)

 

Yes, in round five when there is 1:18 left, Morales takes a step forward after being visibly shaken, and Raheem just backs up and maintains the range. That was the time to get him out of there. He could have been the first one to stop Erik, and instead he is remembered for an uninteresting fight with Freitas before disappearing forever.

 

great thread!

 

long life king MANNY !!!!!

 

Clottey was robbed

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Nah just joking

 

I think Bradley has great speed. Possibly more power than Pac and there is no doubt he is more skilled than Pac (most boxers are they just can't out heart the man). I think a Bradley vs. Pac would be very interesting and could go either way but I'd lean toward a Bradley win.

 

Every word of this post is actual manure. You really need to find another sport you like because you don't have a ****ing clue about this one.

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Pac "wasn't" avoiding slick Black fighters at lower weights? Zahir Raheem. Case close. Pac took out Diaz (who Holt sparked FASTER). Pac has now fought all the way up to LMW and never faced a slick boxer! Always come forward, usually Mexican, and none of them known for speed or explosiveness. They are just "tough" bka HITTABLE! Pac and he team have a formula. It is obvious. Margo did not move his head ONCE!

Mosley has been calling Pac out for YEARS so damn right we will say Mosley although he is not slick he is fast and throws straight down the pipe.

Nate Campbell has been around forever and Pac just never wanted to get it.

Tim Bradley ain't slick, but is a good name.

Mayweather has been calling the dude out and if he would stop lying and take a blood test this fight would have happened the first time!

Nothing Pac has done since JMM is "amazing" because he has made an AMAZING change since and it is obvious the man doesn't want to take drug tests. Pac is most likely a PED cheat.

 

More power than Pac? :huh A Whopping 11 KO's in almost 30 fights? And that includes the early career cans that most top guys KO.

As for more skilled, is he really? I don't see it. I like how Bradley throws combos often, definitely a plus, but Pac does that as well. Not even sure Bradley is a better mover now. Maybe a couple years ago.

Bradley's BIGGEST win was against Kendal Holt. Yes, Kendal Holt who dropped Bradley twice. You think Bradley beats someone like Pac, who he cannot hurt? A guy who'll match output and then some? Someone who's used to performing big on the big stage? Doubtful. Right now, I don't think Bradley is in Pac's league. He's still in the Berto/Alexander/Maidana league more than anything.

BTW, I don't even see Bradley as being that slick.

 

I've been saying that Bradley should be favored. He's just too good. Styles make fights. Bradley's style is wrong for Pacquaio. Bradley has the "warrior mentality" of all Pacquaio's opponents, but unlike them, has speed, youth, boxing skill, amazing athleticism, foot movement, head movement, and defense.

 

I don't see Bradley as being that slick either. To the above poster I said possibly more power than Pac. I think Bradley is more skilled than Pac but I think a lot guys are to me Pac is a hard nosed heart kinda boxer I don't put in the category of a Mayweather as far as skills go. Don't get me wrong I love watching Pacman but I'm not sold he beats Bradley.

 

hE JUMPED FROM 112 TO 122 TO AVBOID MARK TOO SHAP JOHNSON!!!11!

 

I love Bradley's heart, I will say that much. Skill wise, I'd say they are pretty close, as neither are conventional. They both fight in styles that benefit their short stature. But going from Kendal Holt to Pac is like going from a 4 rounder to 12 round championship fight. HUGE jump. Pac's beaten bigger, stronger, and better fighters than Bradley already. I think Bradley has a few good moments, but is otherwise overwhelmed over 12. A stoppage would not be out of the question either.