Which technical boxer has the best chance against Joe Frazier

Oh yeah. He definitely put on one of his best career performances even if he lost. And yes, I agree Ali and Frazier were the 2 best heavyweights back then. Foreman was still very green and would've lost to both of them. Quarry had already been defeated by both men. No version of Norton beats even FOTC Ali (as Futch admitted himself) nor Frazier.

 

Norton VS Fury is actually a very interesting match-up I never thought about. Of Course, Fury most likely wins but Norton could make it interesting.

 

those are the facts. There is plenty of footage to go around. it's like they say, Joe is a one handed fighter. You cant expect me to think Joe is going to out box or outjab Jimmy. Even Ali couldnt do that

Let's compare how each man fared against the top heavies

Jimmy vs Norton: close fight that could have just as easily gone to Jimmy
vs Ali: easily beat him, even toyed and embarrassed him whereas Joe lost twice to Ali
Whipped Foreman whereas Joe failed to survive the early rounds
Jimmy also whipped the imposing Ron Lyle, another huge power hitter
Jimmy's resume vs the top men beats Joe's

 

I keep thinking about how Norton fared against boxers who didn't have a devastating punch. I doubt Fury could seriously hurt Norton...

 

yes, it was an extreme example. There are others that apply that are less extreme. But I woke up in the middle of the night and that was the one I grabbed for.

 

Who's expecting you to think that Frazier out-jabs and out-boxes Young? People expect that Frazier gets under Young's jab and gets inside, bashing up his ribs, working the hook, out-fighting him on the inside.

Frazier clearly beat a much better verison of Ali. Officially, Young beat no verison of Ali.

Styles make fights. Young didn't stand in front of foreman looking for a left hook. Just because fighter A beats fighter B but fighter B beats fighter C, doesn't mean that fighter C is worse than fighter A. I'm sure you don't consider Vernon Forrest better than De La Hoya because he beat Mosley but Oscar didn't. Or you consider Mayorga being better than Mosley because he didn't beat Forrest but Mayorga did.

Dunno why you bother bringing up Norton, given that one didn't fight him and the other didn't beat him.

Quarry was better than Lyle, for obvious reasons.

 

Frazier was in no way a broken and ruined fighter or a shell of himself by the time of the Ali rematch.

 

Are you putting words in my mouth? Not sure I wrote that one. I do think he was diminished but I also think he was beginning to decline even the first time Ali and he fought. So I am not sure you and I will get very far with this based upon that assumption.

 

Says the guy who brought the end-of-career Ali of Spinks I into this discussion to compare it to Ali-Frazier II.

Ali beat Frazier. Not a Frazier who was years past his best with one foot into retirement. He had exactly one loss (to a powerhouse ATG George Foreman) and bounced back from that to batter Joe Bugner. Ali fought him a few months later.

There’s some ridiculous rewriting of history that Joe Frazier beat Ali in the FOTC and the next day he was a fat old man who couldn’t fight so any results thereafter don’t count.

The question of this thread is which technical boxer has the best chance to beat Joe Frazier. I introduced a guy who literally beat Joe Frazier and for some reason you want to act like that wasn’t actually Frazier that he beat.

 

The Ali that faced Young wouldn't hear the final bell against FOTC Frazier imo. And Young "embarassed" Ali so badly that he had to escape through the ropes to evade Ali's attacks (by his own admission).

 

Go watch his bouts with Quarry, Chuvalo, hell even the FOTC and tell me Frazier was a one handed fighter. Better yet go ask Ali if only one side of his body hurt after the FOTC.

NOBODY said Frazier would outbox or outjab jimmy. Da ****? He'd be on him like a rash, giving him no room to breath, and rendering him near useless.

Sure. Let's.

Young lost to a past prime Norton who'd already failed to win the championship three times.

Intellectual dishonesty at it's finest. Mentioning Frazier's losses to Ali, while neglecting to mention Frazier's win in their biggest fight.

Young did not easily beat Ali. Every time the going got tough, he bitched out, by leaning his head and torso out of the ring, and (less commonly mention) would frequently counter Ali with illegal flurries below the belt line.

Frazier fought an Ali who while not prime, was still the second best heavyweight of the time period, who gave one of his all time best performances. if anyone "easily beat Ali" it was Frazier who capped it off by putting Ali on his ass.

Also, a past it Frazier beat Ali within an inch of his life in The Thrilla, and by Ali's own admission, Frazier bought him the closest he'd been to death, and left Ali a shell of himself and easy pickings for Young to beat and he couldn't even do that.

1. Foreman had a huge statistical advantage over Frazier

2. Foreman never fought the best Frazier. Frazier was never the same fighter after TFOTC.

3. Frazier in the first fight fought a completely different, superior mentally confident Foreman. When he fought Foreman post zaire, he lasted on his feet longer than any of Foreman's victims between Peralta II and Young, and was the only one to answer the bell for the 5th round without having been dropped. And that was a shot, partially blind Frazier.

Lol, I love how you conveniently left out Young's bouts with Shavers, Frazier's wins over Quarry (who beat Lyle AND Shavers, who Young never managed to beat), Ellis, Bugner, oh yeah and his win over Ali.

Now **** off you dishonest pos.

 

Muhammad Ali at his peak years, 1964-1967, there was no Rope A Dope, just speed, reflexes, stamina, timing, and great footwork for 15 rounds if needed. Ali was never decked as champion in his first title reign. No wonder that Yank Durham did not want Smoking Joe to meet Ali in 1967, Joe was no. 1 contender.

 

I don't believe Frazier was ever no. 1 contender when Ali was champ.

 

I believe in 1967 he was. But Ali was then convicted and banned for Draft Evasion. Joe in protest for not getting a title shot refused to enter the WBA Tournament.

 

Out of that list, honestly, I’d take Fury or Louis.