Which Three Lightweights Have Best Chance With Duran

Alexis Arguello, Julio Cesar Chavez and Manny Pacquiao. I don't lean toward guys like Whitaker. DeJesus dropped Duran. That's how he got his respect and got in his head.

Arguello had power and was an excellent technician. Chavez had good power, threw a ton of body shots, and had an excellent defense at lightweight. Pacquiao and Duran were mirror images at lightweight. And Manny could've hurt Duran.

I think Duran would've walked through guys like Whitaker. He wouldn't have respected his power at all. Ray Leonard gave Duran problems because he could box and punch - Leonard had enough pop to knock out Hearns as well as light heavy Donny LaLonde. Whitaker didn't hit like that.

 

Duran might be my favorite fighter... or sometimes it's Whitaker... However, whitaker holds more advantages than that... imo Whitaker had clearly superior jab... Straight crosses were very comparable.. better ring general... better at countering... comparable but I'd say whitaker is slightly better fighting in the pocket... better upper body movement.. beards are very comparable but whitaker has never been Ko'd... There wasn't a style that befuddled a prime whitaker (can we say the same about Duran?) ... Body punching was very comparable. I think you're selling whitaker a little short here

 

Pacs the only guy with the speed and power to dent Duran who is arguably untouchable at light

Floyd and sweet pea suffer the same fate

Low work rate against a beast with hands of stone

They get UD badly in one sided mailings

Duran is special so can't say for sure if anyone could beat him

 

Freddie Pendelton

 

Interesting choice.

 

Just me havin' some shits N' giggles

 

Agreed.

 

Whitaker has a great southpaw jab. So did Hagler and Duran had no problems with it. Prime Duran counters jabs and gets inside pushing and shoving and making you fight. Straight cross are not comparible. 61 KO's at light. Pernell had 17 his entire career. Pernell ain't fighting Duran in the pocket so it does not matter. Nope. Upper body movement is Duran. Slipping, ducking, at the same time countering.

Duran hunted and killed movers and beat up punchers. Body-punching? No comment. If those are the points of contention then yes...I am sell Whitaker short.

Speed? Whitaker
Parrying? Whitaker.

That is it. Defense is the same but everything else is Duran. He moved as well and he hit better.

 

Maybe there is a slight miscommunication here... you were saying Duran does everything better than Whitaker except slipping and pivoting... I pointed out that this isn't true...

Whitaker has the far superior jab of the two...
Is the better counter puncher of the two...
is better fighting in the pocket of the two..
Has the better radar...
Has better speed
has better agility
is the better ring general
Better defense (got hit way less)
Was proven better against a wider variety of styles

No way Duran's upper body movement is better.. just no way.. you might make an argument for upper body movement while staying in position to counter.. but upper body defensive movement isn't close between the two.

I said crosses are comparable in the sense of how they used them and their effectiveness.. YOu came back listing the KO's Duran had. Suffice to say, nobody is saying Pernell had as much pop as Duran.. never said such a thing. Nor should I need to point out that those 61 KO's didn't all come from crosses. So while I kinda appreciate why you just said, it's a fact that doesn't mean much to the argument of crosses... What I was saying is Whitaker used his left cross just as effectively if not more so than Duran used his right cross. They were both means to an end.. for whitaker it was winning wide UD.. for Duran it was hurting people or KOing them sometimes. Still the same means to an end and Whitakers was just as good for his game as it was for Duran and his.

Anyways, the whole point is... There are plenty of things that Whitaker did better than Duran as I just listed.. far more than just Slipping and dodging punches.

 

First choice is Whitaker...and not sure if he beats Duran, but his style would be the most problematic. Armstrong would force Duran into a different mode of fighting with his relentless pressure...but Duran has shown the adaptability to do that. Here's a name no one will mention...Sammy Angott. I wouldn't pick him over Duran per se...but his clutch and grab style might nullify Duran's inside work somewhat...Just a tough style to deal with.

 

Duran knocks Whitaker for 6.

Which fight from Pea's career do we put forward to beat Duran. Greg Howgenatsch

 

The fight that really cements my awe for Duran at lightweight is the second Dejesus fight. Counting ring generalship and technique he did not fight a good first third in my view. Dejesus was setting up his shots better, getting more leverage in, avoiding more, and in general fighting what looked like a well-rounded successful counterpunching-game with occasional leads, using his feet and hands economically.

It amounted to **** all. Duran in that fight could afford to fight significantly worse than his opponent and still leave him without a shred of chance of seeing the final bell.

When you have more chin, more stamina, more punching power, more determination, and more goddamnit-I-will-kill-that-sonofabitch-stonedead-thatmother****er-****ed-mysister-wrrraaaaggg-

Who cares how well you figh when the deck is stacked in your favor?

He could expend much more energy than you per round while chasing, get hit more and harder, and still outlast you.

That's a tough game to beat. When he actually fights patient and tighter and well like in Dejesus 3 and has Dejesus 2 mode for when he's getting the worst of it, forget about it.

So yeah, best lightweight for me H2H.

 

Well if you can't even spell Haugen's name right, how would we expect you to know any of the others?

 

I'm not ever sure what's he's trying to say.. plenty of fighters tried to impose their will on Whitaker and pressure him.. Chavez... Nelson.. Ramirez.. even DLH tried to in spurts.. I amounted to **** all in the end.

 

I figured you might be, but I wasn't sure.