Which TWO FIGHTS show the TWO SIDES of your TOP FIGHTERS?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Dec 30, 2010.


Page 1 of 3
  1. horst

    horst Guest

    Rather than launch into a lengthy and rather dull thread rationale, I will simply provide my own examples and hopefully this will make my intentions clear.



    The Two Sides of Manny Pacquiao...

    - TKO11 Marco Antonio Barrera (featherweight, 2003)
    Relentless, intense aggression, perpetual forward motion, explosive left-hands and one-two's, blinding hand and foot speed.

    - UD12 Antonio Margarito (lightmiddleweight, 2010)
    Intelligent aggression off the back foot, a mix of lightning-fast combinations and counterpunches, ability to fight with back to the ropes.


    The Two Sides of Pernell Whitaker...

    - UD12 Azumah Nelson (lightweight, 1990)
    Outboxing off the back foot, excellent (single, double and triple) jabs, excellent defensive and boxing skills shown.

    - UD12 Buddy McGirt (welterweight, 1994)
    Alternating between front and back foot, aggressively looking for KO, throwing brilliant combinations, bodyshots and uppercuts.


    The Two Sides of James Toney...

    - D12 Mike McCallum (middleweight, 1991)
    Fighting in the centre of the ring against a world-class operator, showing fantastic counterpunching, strong chin, good speed and endurance, all-round boxing skills and power.

    - UD12 Vassily Jirov (cruiserweight, 2003)
    Fighting almost exclusively with his back on the ropes, showing incredible ability to slip, roll, block and parry punches, clever bodypunching, strong resilience and composure.



    I should really do ones for my other favourite fighters (Duran, Azumah Nelson, Mike McCallum, etc), but I can't be arsed, I'll let other people have a go...

    :bbb
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #1
  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    106
    Jun 30, 2008
    Marvin Hagler:
    Tony Sibson - Beautiful outside boxing, devestating jab, great accuracy, timing, footwork, counters, combinations, etc. Love the performance.

    Thomas Hearns - Throws all that out the window and just assaults a guy he probably wouldn't fair too well against trying to outbox. It unfortunately led to an image of Hagler as a tough brawler more than a highly skilled technical boxer, but he was clearly both, and excelled at being both. These two fights show the best of each.



    Julio Cesar Chavez:
    Edwin Rosario - One of the very best examples of intelligent pressure ever. Methodical, clinical dissection. Chavez doing what he did best against an outstanding fighter. Showcases his freaky punch accuracy very well.

    Jose Luis Ramirez - Chavez against a guy who embodied everything JCC himself is sometimes stereotyped as. Ramirez is not much more than a straight forward fighter with good power and a granite chin. Chavez shows fine lateral movement and defense here, with some really crisp counters. Chavez proving that, even though he's at the very top of the heap when it comes to pressure fighters, there's more to his game than just that.
     
    the cobra, Dec 30, 2010
    the cobra, Dec 30, 2010
    #2
  3. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

    23,723
    4,043
    Oct 13, 2010
    Joe Calzaghe

    Lacy - shows us how he does when hes in a easy fight

    Kessla - shows us how he does when hes in a hard fight




    Erik Morales

    Pac 1 - shows us how he does when hes not shot

    Pac 2 - shows us how he does when he is shot
     
    Beouche, Dec 30, 2010
    Beouche, Dec 30, 2010
    #3
  4. horst

    horst Guest

    Your analysis is deep. Very deep. Thank you for posting.
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #4
  5. horst

    horst Guest

    Great post man, much appreciated :happy
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #5
  6. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

    13,622
    34
    Dec 25, 2009
    Surprised no one has mentioned PBF before and after WW.
     
    megavolt, Dec 30, 2010
    megavolt, Dec 30, 2010
    #6
  7. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,442
    295
    Jul 23, 2008
    Carl Froch UD Jean Pascal - Outbrawling

    Carl Froch UD Arthur Abraham - Outboxing, with use of jab to control range, and body punching.
     
    realsoulja, Dec 30, 2010
    realsoulja, Dec 30, 2010
    #7
  8. horst

    horst Guest

    I would dispute that. Froch brawled with Pascal, found himself embroiled in an extremely tough and close fight, and then switched to boxing, and boxed his way to the decision. The same principles won him both fights IMO. He did not conclusively outbrawl Pascal.
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #8
  9. horst

    horst Guest

    Mention him then. What's your two fights and why?
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #9
  10. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,442
    295
    Jul 23, 2008
    And I would dispute that Froch tried to box Pascal in the early rounds, but Pascal speed and atheleticism led him to get into the inside and land some big shots on Froch.

    Froch then got pissed off and took the brawl to Pascal, during the mid rounds, then Froch went back to boxing in the later rounds because they felt they were up on points.

    Against Abraham, Froch didnt allow Abraham once into the inside, Froch never allowed the fight to become a brawl not once, even when Abraham was calling him in.

    That was a straight up 120 - 108 almost clinical display from Froch.

    While in Pascal - Froch, Pascal had his moments, since Pascal is a better SMW and has more speed to get into the inside that Abraham lacked.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89TARUBb0XM[/ame]
     
    realsoulja, Dec 30, 2010
    realsoulja, Dec 30, 2010
    #10
  11. horst

    horst Guest

    I don't agree. I don't think that's how the fight went at all. Froch tried to brawl with Pascal, but it was too close for comfort, and he and McCracken saw that boxing would be the best way to win the fight.

    Froch-Pascal in no way equates to a great display of brawling by Carl Froch. I think it was a decent display of brawling followed by a very good display of boxing.

    Froch boxed superbly well from round 1 to round 12 vs Abraham. Abraham made it easy for him with his Clottey-esque performance, but it was still top boxing from the Cobra, I agree.
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #11
  12. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,693
    1
    Jul 25, 2007
    BHop

    Tito - Tarver - Pavlik - Pascal: Aggressive and Offensive Minded

    Everyone Else: Safety first
     
    KayEpps, Dec 30, 2010
    KayEpps, Dec 30, 2010
    #12
  13. horst

    horst Guest

    IMO, a much better example would be:

    - Glen Johnson in '97 (aggressive)

    - Felix Trinidad in '01 (backfoot)

    Or you could even choose the Pascal fight as an example of Hopkins coming forward effectively, but B-Hop fought off the backfoot vs Pavlik.
     
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    horst, Dec 30, 2010
    #13
  14. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

    19,779
    701
    Dec 6, 2009
    Not accurate. He was aggressive in the Johnson, Mercado, Echols 2, and even the Council fight to name a few.
     
    techks, Dec 30, 2010
    techks, Dec 30, 2010
    #14
  15. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

    15,720
    5
    Jul 8, 2010
    Marco Antonio Barrera

    Erik Morales I(Super-Bantamweight-2000)- Amazing ability to go to war with a fellow great fighter. Showed immense heart, chin to stand up to Morales' best shots and power to be the first man to put him down(granted he wasnt hurt for the KD, but he was a couple of times throughout the fight).

    ''Prince'' Naseem Hamed(Featherweight-2001)- Comes into the fight as an underdog against the awkward, undefeated and powerful Hamed. Is expected to come forward and get blasted but shows great boxing ability and shot placement to outbox Hamed to a standstill.

    You're coming up with some good threads lately Popkins, keep 'em coming.
     
    jpab19, Dec 30, 2010
    jpab19, Dec 30, 2010
    #15
Page 1 of 3