Which win was more significant Mayweather tko10 Hatton or Pacquiao ko2 Hatton

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  1. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Collazo hasn't accomplished IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS what those guys have in theirs, simple as that. So how is he better? Cause he's bigger?
     
  2. SoxNation

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    Maussa has one title and nothing else and he was lucky to get that one. Accomplishments don't mean you're better than other fighters. Go check some ATGs lists and you'll see Ezzard Charles is rated higher than Archie Moore at Light Heavyweight even though he never won a belt there and Ali is rated over Holyfield even though Evander won more titles.
     
  3. SoxNation

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    He's better because he's more skilled and more talented. Accomplishments have never meant you're better. Dawson beat Adamek when Chad had never won a belt, does that mean Adamek was better than Dawson?
     
  4. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah.. I give you that one... And also you are usually pretty fair-minded.


    But think about it for a minute. We aren't talking about the most exciting ending, we are talking about how significant the victory itself was. And to me, it is more of a significant all-around event for May because they were both undefeated which fed into the hoopla.


    Also, Hatton fighting out of his weight class was only a minimal thing. That just meant he had less weight to drain down from his walk-around weight of 275...:lol:
     
  5. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are straight talking out of your ass with the bolded comment. Collazo fighting Berto and Mosley is better than ANY opponent Malignaggi has faced.

    Collazo has been a top 10 ranked welterweight FOR YEARS.

    Collazo > Malignaggi, seriously. I can't believe you even went there.
     
  6. SoxNation

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    How many fighters can you name that have moved up several weight classes and bullied and physically dominated much bigger fighters?

    How many fighters have moved up several weight classes and kept their speed and maybe even improved their power?
     
  7. Lance_Uppercut

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    More skilled or talented NEVER means they are a more accomplished fighter. And it's the accomplishments that SHOW YOU ARE BETTER. Emmanual Agustus is more talened then Mayoprga...but who's better and who's accomplished more? As for Adamek and Dawson, Adamek is now a two division champ. Dawson may be better H2H, but right now, Adamek is looking the more accomplished of the two.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :lol: Nice. We all know these days that having a "0" is pretty misleading. It doesn't have the same ring is used to.
     
  9. dangerousity

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    Maussa beat Vivian Harris.

    Give me 1 name Collazo has beaten. Nobody. Hes better than them because its suits your agenda. In truth, hes only possibly better than these guys because hes bigger, which is exactly the issue with Hatton being at 147.

    That example doesnt hold argument either, Charles has achievements if not the titles but names on his resume, Collazo has not beaten anyone whatsoever.
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So because its never been done its suspect? Should we have then started accusing Ali of drugs because he was the first man to win the HW title 3 times?

    Pac's body grew and unlike PBF who had master trainers from start, Pac didnt. therefore even though I believe his physical peak was at 122-126, skillwise he is a lot better now because of the training hes had under world class trainer Roach.

    To think that a man needs steroids to get to 147 is ridiculous. I lifted weights for a year and gained 1.5 stones...to those who dont know, thats roughly 21 pounds!!!

    To top it off, Pac whilst fighting at 130 was weighing fight night at 148-149, so he only really put on 3lbs over 3 years. The difference is, he is not draining weight anymore.

    Here it goes, Proof or stfu.

    This is as ridiculous as me accusing Floyd of paying his opponents to take dives thats why he's so broke. No proof needed, accusations enough.
     
  11. Pimp C

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    No ****. People act as if Hatton did nothing there but he took a belt the WBA I believe from Collazo. It's just a weak attempt by PBF haters to try and discredit his win, like they always do. Not to mention Hatton came in at the same weight he does for his fights at 140. But the haters love to leave that out as well. These ****s are pathetic PBF beat a undefeated top ranked full of confidence Hatton while Pac beat a shell of a Hatton but they say Pac's win is more significant.:-(
     
  12. thechampizhere

    thechampizhere Well-Known Member Full Member

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    most def mayweather cuz he took that aura of invisibility and that 0 from hatton
     
  13. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ****, if I remember correctly Collazo lost to Mosley badly and lost to Berto.

    Name me 1 name fighter Collazo has beaten? ONE! The best you can come up with is Gonzalez...

    Paulie has beaten Juan Diaz & n'dou. He also gave Cotto a very tough fight.
     
  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton arguably lost to Collazo. That makes Hatton = Collazo at 147. If beating a fighter on Collazo's level is a big achievement to you guys, then I just dont know what to say....

    Everyone said Floyd was a small WW, including you, yet for whatever reason he forced Hatton up to 147 instead of their best weights at 140. Why do you think that is huh?
     
  15. SoxNation

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    Accomplishments can be misleading and you just proved my point. Adamek being more accomplished doesn't make him better.

    Collazo beat Jose Rivera who was a pretty solid fighter and two weight title holder, you can also argue that Collazo beat Berto and Hatton. Who did any of these three beat that are anywhere near Berto, Hatton, or even Rivera? Maussa lucked up and beat Harris then went on to lose his last three fights. One was a stoppage loss to Victor Ortiz who was a prospect, another was to Hatton, and I don't remember the other guys name, but obviously he was worthless. Who have these guys beaten that makes them more accomplished than Collazo? You can't even say they're better as far as accomplishments.