Whiney type champions, always claiming conspiracies.

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  1. michael mullen

    michael mullen Active Member Full Member

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    In the boxing dictionary, Wilder's picture is next to "low ring IQ"....
     
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  2. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins definitely

    Don't know how any could even justify Hopkins possibly getting the victory against Calzaghe. Bernard was using every excuse to avoid fighting in the later rounds.
     
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  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Amir Khan, that hat man conspiracy theory still makes me laugh and he makes excuses for every loss.

    Paulie Malignaggi, doesn't really need any explaining, the man even shoved his trainer Buddy McGuirt cause he stopped a fight Malignaggi was losing badly. Let's not forget his infamous rant in the 1st Juan Diaz fight then there was that whole McGregor situation.
     
  4. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're looking at him given the treatment he is given today.

    You need to go back to how he was treated back during his reign. Despite being undefeated and clearly a good fighter, he never got **** worth of a shot until he was 29 years old. Even after winning the title, he was commonly referred to as an Ali impersonator and never well respected. Supposedly even Cosell was a dick to him for years. He was treated to a world of racist **** before the Cooney fight, which only made him more salty in general. Ok, loses and says some salty words he shouldn't have said, then is robbed in the rematch.

    I get his salt. He was a top 5 ATG, knew it, and was never treated like it until he retired and fans started watching old matches on YouTube. As a fighter, he never really got the treatment by the crowd and announcers he always felt he deserved until the Mercer fight.

    I get it.

    Yes, he should be happy in retrospect at this point. But he is. He stopped being salty long ago.
     
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  5. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Mike Tyson broke his back. Spinal.
     
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  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Cosell was a dick to everybody, though. Even Ali, although he toned down his Cosellishness because he wanted to keep riding Ali's coattails.

    The racism is a fair point, but lots of other black fighters faced racism. (Ali, for example.) Most champions aren't respected as they deserve during their careers; it's only in retrospect that people look more fondly on them. Ali himself only became a public institution because he hung on so long.

    Now, would *I* handle Holmes's suffering with grace? Almost certainly not. But then, I'm whiny, so that's hardly a good standard. Most heavyweight champions are much more restrained than "civilians" when it comes to publicly complaining about things.
     
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  7. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Huge pass. Took this man forever to get a title shot. I'd be paranoid too.
     
  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I would say Marvelous Marvin Hagler's quest for a title shot began after the retirement of Carlos Monzon, who retired as champion on August 29 1977. In April 1978, Champion Rodrigo Valdes gave unheralded South American Champion Hugo Corro a title shot in San Remo, Italy instead of contemplating anyone else. Corro scored a huge upset on points. Corro then defended against Ronnie Harris on August 5 1978, Corro won on points. Corro gave Valdes a rematch on Nov 11 1978, Corro retained on points. Corro then gave Vito Antuofermo a title shot on June 30 1979 in Monte Carlo, Monaco, Antuofermo scored an upset by split decision. Hagler had to sit at ringside to secure a title shot against the winner. Hagler finally got his long awaited shot on Nov 30 1979, fighting to a draw with champion Antuofermo in 15 rounds.
     
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  9. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Those older champs weren't anxious to fight a young lion. The draw did a number on Hagler. Vito was game.
     
  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Especially Rodrigo Valdes, during Monzon's last year as champion, Hagler blew his chance as he was beaten by Hart and Monroe. Carlos Monzon was interested in unifying the title against Valdes. Tose two fought on Jun 26 1976 in Monte Carlo, Monaco, Monzon decked Valdes in round 14, then went on to win on points. A year later on July 30 1977, those two fought again, same location, Valdes decked Monzon in round 2, but was unanimously defeated in 15 rounds. Monzon retired as champion after a 7 year reign and 14 title defense. Valdes fought Bennie Briscoe for the vacant undisputed title on Nov 5 1977, Valdes won on points in 15 rounds.
     
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  11. Boxing GOAT

    Boxing GOAT Active Member Full Member

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    Jack Sharkey had an excuse for nearly every fight he lost. He was nicknamed the Weeping Warrior by the press and called cry baby the way he sulked and carried on after each loss. Tommy Loughran made his share of excuses too.

    Hopkins and Wilder top the list of the more recent fighters. Teofimo Lopez still hasn’t come to terms with his loss to Kambosos and is emotionally fragile.
     
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  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I think we can find a lot of fighters who had good cause to whine over a number of fronts - but then again, many didn’t or at least not protractedly so.

    Take Ken Norton and the rubber v Ali (a robbery IMO) Ken voiced his disagreement but it wasn’t whining or unreasonably perpetuated - and he didn’t let or allow it to define him. Even the razor thin loss to Holmes, Ken might’ve felt doubly hard done by but again, Ken carried himself perfectly.

    If a fighter seems defined by his complaints, he’s likely whining a lot more than the other average bears who likely have as much to complain about themselves but refrain from doing so.
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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