Whitaker or Mayweather - who was greater?

If my timeline is off regarding Williams and Martinez at 154 then fair enough and I apologize. I do seem to remember that Floyd and Sergio with both belt holders at 154 at the same time and that Sergio had even said he’d fight Floyd at 150. We can all agree that Floyd did duck Williams and Margarito at 147, though.

 

And you left out the fact that Floyd was only fighting once a year anyway, so that means he only missed one fight prior to dragging Marquez up two classes higher than Juan had ever fought at.

 

By the time he fought Shane Mosley he was what almost 40?
When he fought De La Hoya was how old??
And he got a SPLIT DECISION.

Cotto? You really think Cotto was prime?????

Hell when Pea fought DELAHOYA MANY people thought he WON. He even dropped De la Hoya.
Canelo better then Vasquez at jr. Middle? A big NO.
more talented but Vasquez accomplished way more at jr. Middle.
Loved Mayweathers win over Corrales. Manfredy.
Hernandez was a great win as well.
but Mayweather cherry picked at welter and Pea didnt. Simple as that.
Mosley.De La Hoya. Cotto. Gatti. They sound awsome on paper UNTIL you know the age and weight class and then its less then awsome.

 

Let's get real people. the JMM fight was a joke , why should he get credit for it because the name? , , well May has a lot of names, and it can be argued that when he fought these names , were they near their best??... whatever .. but JMM? are you kidding me. Floyd had 11 pounds over him.. JMM was fighting at 135 , and Floyd at 146 ,, 11 POUNDS !!!! .. People think because it's JMM , he is supposed to carry around 7 more pounds for the first time in his career, and move the same, look the same, and box the same?? Get a clue !! Boxing doesn't work that way..Thats 7 friggin pounds from 135 albeit on him … I have at least 7 fights for Floyd better than that JMM win

 

@McGrain and @Flea Man how far apart do you guys have these two?

 

Look, Floyd's longevity was very impressive, but when determining greatness, I tend to rank prime above longevity.

And Whitaker's prime was better than Floyd's. He was more dominant in his prime, and beat better fighters.

 

In instances where a guy knocks out the pfp number 1 in the sport in a certain weightclass, while past prime, I’d like to think the guy could comfortably fight in the weightclass. It wasn’t an Azumah Nelson situation.

 

Nobody was more dominant than Floyd at 130.

 

Floyd lost to Chavez's sparring partner. Let's not forget that one. His safety first approach wouldn't last in the 70's, 80's and 90's and probably gets booed for it. Whitaker went to face to face and kept himself in the danger zone while evading power shots. Plus, Pea never cherry picked opponents nor did he have the judges and referee in his back pocket.

 

2-0, pal. Pea lost to the guy who Floyd beat, guy who’s named after a women’s drink.

 

you lost me, what does this have to do with anything with the JMM and May fight?

 

I'm not sure with Matt but I think Flea has Floyd in the 31-40 tier where Pea might be in the 21-30? Flea's podcast with Connor Ruebusch, 10 fighters Greater than Floyd Mayweather is a great listen actually, very fair and balanced and informed.

 

That sounds about right TR. Cheers for that.

 

I'm not your pal. And yeah, Castillo won that first fight. Do a poll and let's see how it ends up.

 

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