Whitaker vs. McGirt I & II: Best Welterweight Fights in the Last 20 Years?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was recently reviewing the second fight between Pernell Whitaker and Buddy McGirt and whilst it turned out to be quite one sided at the end, the skill level and action involved quite overwhelmed me. I had forgotten what a great fight it was, especially for the first half, where both fighters stood toe to toe and tried to assume physical and tactical control of the fight. Whitaker put on quite a masterful display of boxing in the second half of the fight and seized control completely.

    The first fight between the pair was probably even better, owing largely to the closer nature of the contest. McGirt was sharp that night and gave Pernell a lot of trouble with his laser-like straight right. The inside battle there was extraordinary as well. Lot of skillful inside work on display.

    Can anyone think of any better welterweight fights in the last 20 years? I'd say DLH-Mosley I is up there, but that Pea-McGirt fights were still more skillful encounters imo, given the defensive proficiency of both guys.

    Bouts like Brown-Trice and Breland-Davis have to be up there because of their sheer brutality, but skillwise they aren't on the same plane.

    Thoughts?

    P.S. I'm in the process of putting up about 20 mins of highlights from Pea-Buddy II. It really is a bout to marvel at for the level of skill these guys have. I might put it up in the general forum later and ask the folk what they think of these two compared to the current crop of welters. To me, there is a CLEAR distinction in class.
     
  2. Loewe

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    McGirt is very underrated I think. He would give quite a few atgs problems and probably be 50/50 against guys like Trinidad or DLH. I think the first Mosley-DLH fight is a tad better. That was the career best performance of both guys. Great great performance of both.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair call.

    I think McGirt would trouble pretty much any welter that didn't fight at an express pace. Stamina was probably his one real flaw. As such he would definitely be in the discussion with the likes of DLH, Quartey and the like.
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    On a technical level I would say fight 1 probably is the best WWT fight in the last 20 yrs - fight 2 as said above was too 1 sided & was all about Whitaker`s greatness that night rather than the competitiveness of the bout - & I would place DLH/Mosely I & DLH/Whitaker right up there aswell.
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Here`s a question for sweet_scientist & Loewe......

    On a technical level, how would you compare Whitaker/McGirt I (for you S_S) & Oscar/Mosely I (for you Loewe) to Leonard/Benitez ?

    Mmmmm... tough one isnt it ?
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    SS,

    I partially agree with you here. The whitaker-mcgirt fights are some of my favs, very exciting fights. honestly i though mcgirt showed greater handspeed than meldrick taylor, call me crazy,
     
  7. Loewe

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    Leonard - Benitez showed more skills than Mosley - DLH I, only slightly though, but imo Mosley - DLH I was the more intense and had more in it. I was clearly visible both fighters gave everything they had, both had fun in this one and both did everything they were able to do.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    Have you by any chance checked out Taylor and McGirt's fight with each other? He sure didn't look faster there.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    No I have not! but looks like I will have too now!
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bill, they were quite different fights from each other. Whitaker and McGirt traded with each other much more on the inside than what Leonard-Benitez did.

    Leonard-Benitez was primarily a battle of reflexes and speed. A boxing equivalent to a game of "snap!" if you will.

    Whitaker-McGirt was more a battle of techniques at close and mid-range, with Whitaker's more even handedness winning the day.

    That said, Leonard-Benitez was fought at a higher level of talent than Whitaker-McGirt, who were both probably better at lower weights, and didn't have the speed or reflexes of Benitez and Leonard at welterweight.

    In terms of enjoyment, I like Pea-MGirt better, but there's no doubt in my mind that Leonard beats Pea and McGirt, and Pea has his hands full with Benitez, who should also take a close but comfy decision against Buddy.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McGirt's one-twos were extremely quick, and he even got the better of the exchanges against Meldrick Taylor early in their fight with those shots. But Meldrick was quicker in sustained combinations, and once he started flurrying he tired Buddy out and seized command. Not sure Buddy was at his best for Meldrick, by the way, but Meldrick beats the best Buddy at 140 regardless...
     
  12. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Mosley-Dlh was a much better fight than those two.
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How so?
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    I wasn't terribly impressed by Mosley and De La Hoya's first encounter to be frank, and Leonard/Benitez, while extremely high level technically, was a bit too one-sided for my taste. Definitely one of the best technical masterclasses by Leonard though.
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whilst I regard it as one of the best welter fights of the last 20 years, I have to admit that I have always thought that it gets a little more air play than it deserves.

    Sure, it featured DLH and Mosley in their physical primes, and the last round was great, with two willful champions putting it all on the line to secure the win, but I think tactically it was a little bland.

    DLH fought a bit of a stupid fight, abandoning his boxing ability for long stretches of the fight, trying to walk through Mosley, who he underestimated as the weaker fighter. Mosley fought the best fight of his career imo and and showed flashes of brilliance, none more so than in the final round, but the fight also lacked much of the action that a fight like McGirt-Whitaker delivered on a consistent round-by-round basis.

    Also, from a defensive standpoint, which I admit, I have a predilection for, I think Whitaker-McGirt was better.