Whitaker vs Ramirez I

You could argue he was undefeated until Tito. Personally I think DLH was 50-50 and was close either way. He had another clsoe one with Rivera but fought him again. **** was going down with Hurtado but salvaged it.

He DID NOT lose or draw to Ramirez and Chavez.

Something about Pea just irked some judges the wrong way. Though Pea was quite delusional in what he thought went down i.e. I think he called his DLH fight 10-2 for him.

 

Ramirez won that fight fair and round

 

10-2. I think not. I agree the Ramirez decision was terrible, and so was the Chavez one. The Rivera I fight could have went either way, and his fight with De La Hoya was very close. I don't have a problem when people say they felt Whitaker beat De La Hoya, but when they use the word "robbery" its just laughable and ridiculous.

Punch stats don't score fights, three judges do with the naked eye.

 

atsch Your at the wind up.

 

Yeah, people throw the word " robbery " around awfully loosely in regards to that fight. It was a VERY close fight that could've gone either way, and I too don't have a problem with those who feel Sweet Pea won, but at the same time I don't feel that De La Hoya got an undeserved decision.

 

I honestly believe Pernell should have retired with a 44-1 or a 43-2 record...I had him soundly beating Ramirez during the 1st fight, I had win soundly winning the Chavez fight, I had him winning a CLOSE decision against De La Hoya that could have easily gone to Oscar (as it did), and he had that NC in which he originally won against Pestriaev.

The Ramirez and Chavez fights really upset me. He put on great performances and while he should have won the lightweight title and while he should have been the 1st guy to hand JCC a loss, he was robbed.

 

I had Whitaker beating De La Hoya. De La Hoya shouldn't have went southpaw against Whitaker that was very stupid.

 

Ramirez and Chavez were both Mexican fighters, and with both bouts being WBC title fights. The WBC and Sulaiman are from Mexico, and Its been well known King and Sulaiman are both close friends. Those two were involved in Chavez v Whitaker.

For some strange reason, I always forget Whitaker fought Trinidad. Its like most people forgetting Holyfield's well past prime fights against Ruiz, Toney, and Donald, etc. I even sometimes forget Duran and Leonard had a 3rd fight.

 

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Whitaker got jobbed on the first Ramirez fight. I find it quite odd that the scorecards DISAPPEARED immediately after the fight.

 

Because Whitaker arguably lost the Rivera fight by 2 points, he arguably won the Ramirez and Chavez fight by 7 or 8 points. Hardly in the same ball park of close decisions.

 

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My lack of objectivity has nothing to do with it.

Have you EVER seen a media publication have the Rivera fight by more than 2 points for Rivera?

Have you EVER seen a media publication even suggest that Chavez or Ramirez deserved a draw?

Ring Magazine had Pea-Chavez 117-111, and from what I've come to understand, they don't have a Pea influenced login and avatar at ESB