Whitaker vs Ramirez I

Ok, well then let me chime in.

The Rivera fight was a close fight. THE closest fight of Pea's career at that point. BUT, a fight that most feel he won.

What great doesnt have a debatable decision?

Mayweather has the Castillo fight.
Leonard has the Hagler fight.
DLH has a bunch of em.

You know I could keep going. It was a close fight, but most people still feel it was a win for Whitaker. Its not like you COULDNT make an arguement for Pea in this one. Its pretty easy actually, a little harder to make one for Rivera.

Now, if you look at the Chavez fight. That IS NOT a debatable subject. Chavez got outboxed. Outmuscled. Outworked. And still remarkably got the draw....it was disgusting.

The only person who would think differently is a blind Chavez fan (HI GUERRERO :hi: ). There is NO WAY Chavez won more than three rounds...four if you are being OVERLY generous....

And the Ramirez fight (what this post was supposed to be about)? That was a shutout win for Whitaker. Ramirez barely won a round (it would be hard to see him get two....). Sweet Pea beat his ass. Other than RJJ in the Olympics, this is the worst robbery I have seen (and Ive been watching boxing for damn near 25 years)...and I am not the only one who thinks so.

The DLH fight, thats a whole other situation. I feel, as again, most do that it was a close but CLEAR win for Sweet Pea (there have been numerous polls done on this subject on this site, never has it not been landslide for a Whitaker UD). The only arguement I have heard for DLH is that he outworked Whitaker...which isnt the case. Whitaker threw more punches, landed more punches and even dropped Oscar (2 point round). If you score a fight how its supposed to be scored (Defense, Clean Punching, Effective Aggression & Ring Generalship), you HAVE to give the fight to Pernell. Again, close, but CLEAR.

So now, let me please hear what you think about this???

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People People, open your eyes, Whitaker/Chavez was a clear Draw!!!

all you got is "arguably" to state nonsense.

 

^^^ Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you someone who has never seen the DAMN FIGHT!!!!

 

[FONT=&quot]Bill Lyon, Philadelphia Inquirer: 117-115 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Richard Martinez, San Antonio Express-Light: 115-113 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Tim Kawakami, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Juan Carlos Gutierrez, Excelsior: 115-114 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Bernard Fernandez, Philadelphia Daily News: 116-112 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jon Saraceno, USA Today: 116-112 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Carlos Rivero, Uno Mas Uno: 116-113 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joe Gergen, Newsday: 116-112 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Bill Nack, Sports Illustrated: 117-111 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Michael Wilbon, The Washington Post: 115-113 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Steve Farhood, The Ring: 117-111 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ed Shyuler, The Associated Press: 116-112 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Carlos Hernandez, La Journada: 116-114 Whitaker[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Bert Sugar, Boxing Illustrated: 116-112 Whitaker[/FONT]

 

As you can see, its arguable that the Chavez fight was close. NO ONE argues that it was a draw or that Chavez won.:good

 

I'm in aggreance.

You get a few diehard Sweet Pea fans around here that claim Pernell should have been undefeated heading into the Trinidad fight.....
....how convenient of them to forget the Rivera fight in which I feel Rivera clearly outboxed Pernell.

The thing about the Rivera fight is that not only was Pernell technically outboxed, but Rivera was also the aggressor who landed the cleaner harder shots.

To sum it up, Pernell left the door open by being to defensive which usually translates to an unmeaningful offense in his fights with Chavez, DLH and even Ramirez (although I clearly had Pernell beating Ramirez)

Rivera on the other hand outboxed and tatood Pernell with meaningful accurate punches...all this while being the aggressor.

Imo the Rivera fight was just as big a robbery that the Ramirez fight was for Whitaker.



People dont wonder why Pernell Whitaker came out on the short end of some of these decisions. The answer is simple. Pea did't put up a significant offense in a sport where offense counts the most!:hey :deal

Btw, Pernell Whitaker would have us believe that up to his last fight where he quit due to an injury, he was undefeated.......

Pernell Whitaker to Larry Merchant after his loss to Trinidad....
"They did it to me again Larry!"

 

Whitaker got robbed many times in his career and I felt like he won the Ramirez fight as well as the Chavez fight.

His first CLEAR loss was against Trinidad and he was way past it, we all know that.

 

Vlade I'll make a deal with ya, give me a round by round card for the first Rivera fight and I'll youtube it for all to see Rivera "clearly outbox" Whitaker :good

 

Whitaker mixed brilliant defense with brilliant offense.

 

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Nice idea.

SS is bringing out the big guns, he is here to lay a whooping. The list of publications is one thing. The chavez fans try to break left but SS stays with them and rises to the challenge.

 

I have seen the fight **** face. :rofl

IT WAS A DRAW!!!!!!!!! no matter how many times you cry robbery :|
it will never be changed from the books. Swallow it, the judges who scored it a draw had it right. :hi:

 

If you can upload that fight for me to score, Id' be more than happy to rescore it!

Youtube does not work for me. It must be my outdated old PC, but the stills are too grainy and I end up looking at the fight as if I was hitting the pause button on and off throughout.
It's impossible for me to even tell if alot of the punches are scoring or not.

Upload it for me and you have a deal!:good

 

Chavez was 31 years old, Whitaker was 29 years old. Both were still awesome fighters when they fought, but both were past their primes.

"Whitaker all he did was run and hug for 12 rounds". I don't think so. Whitaker clearly beat Chavez inside, as well as boxing his head off.

Sometimes with the opinions on here, you actually wonder if people are joking and taking the ****.

 

Its amazing how biased your views are. In the post above you mention Chavez being past his prime, but not Whitaker. Just to to make your arguement look better for Chavez.