Whitaker vs Ramirez I

9 rounds to 3...Whitaker.

There was ONE fairly close round (forgot which one...and I dont feel like watching the fight AGAIN right now)...so if I was feeling generous, I could see 8 - 4, but NO MORE....and no less than 9 - 3.

Honestly, it was a very EASY fight to score for the most part. Hense the ridiculousness of guerrero and the few other blind Chavez fans that feel it was a draw or GOD FORBID even a win for JCC (heard that one a few times).

I mean, Im a Chavez fan...I mean, how can you NOT be with the fantastic career he had (as well as the wars)....but the crazy ones all hate Sweet Pea, its hilarious!

 

I had it 117-111 as well



Guerrerosoul:
Whitaker got the better of Chavez at a distance
Whitaker got the better of Chavez on the inside

 

LOL, thats what I am saying.

How could a fight, that simple to score (most people that I have talked to had it 9-3 or 8-4 all for Sweet Pea), be insanely construed by the Chavez fans on here.

Its comical how they try to argue it too.

I mean, did ya hear guerrero? The judges gave him respect for all of his past fights/wars or whatever he said.

LMAO!!!

How weak of a counter point is that??? He basically ADMITTED without ADMITTING that he lost the fight.

These guys kill me!

:rofl :rofl

 

You shouldn't win a fight based on what you did in past fights if you are getting a boxing lesson or simply losing more rounds than you win.

 

all i will say is how many times have we seen these type things happen though.

i remember my first fight as a boxing fan it was you guessed it Fenech vs Nelson 1 another robbery that happened. i mean we had Fenech clearly winning 8 rounds yet it was scored a draw.

or how many times have we seen Sven Ottke and Markus Beyer get gift decisions its a part of boxing.

 

What a ****ing joke.

Chavez-Whitaker ended as a draw because it was a draw. :deal
Only the nuthugging delusional deuchbags leave no room to see why it was a draw. This myth has been beaten quite a bit for a long time and the Pea crotch smellers don't ever learn.

Whitaker was a great fighter, but he lacked an offense capability which produced his shortcomings. And that my friends can't be denied. :nod

 

Chavezian myth #1 - Chavez was shot/on the decline/getting old.
Truth - Chavez was the #1 p4p fighter in the world, only 32 years old, was the hands on favorite and had destroyed quite a few fighters leading up to it.

Chavezian myth #2 - All Sweet Pea did was run!
Truth - Sweet Pea outworked him (threw more), outlanding (by an alarming rate) and outboxed him (it was a CLINIC).

Chavezian myth #3 (newly added) - The judges gave Chavez the respect he deserved, for somebody who was world champion for 11 years (which somehow means he won???).
Truth - Clean Punching, Defense, Effective Aggression & Ring Generalship...nowhere in there does it say RESUME!!! BOY THAT STATEMENT IS DUMB!!!

Chavezian myth #4 (newly added) - Sweet Pea was very good, but no great!
Truth - Arguably the 2nd best lightweight ever (AND there is a case for #1...but Duran was absolutely a MONSTER at LW). Widely considered the best defensive fighter of all time. One of the fastest fighters ever. One of the best jabs ever. Champion in 4 different weight classes. Arguably shouldnt have lost a fight before the Trinidad fight and fought the best on his way there. Widely considered top 20 (at least) p4p All Time. Inducted into the HOF earlier this month.

Oh yeah.....he was NO GREAT ALL RIGHT!!! What the **** are you on bro?

:huh

 

Deep inside, you know Chavez was outworked and outlanded...so what if he was coming forward. He was outboxed. Another example of this recently was Baldomir-Mayweather...Baldomir was chasing him all night, but he clearly lost the fight despite his pressure and coming forward. But let me guess? Had he had more title defenses than Mayweather and had the same amount of fights he had coming in (which was much more than Floyd), the judges would have respected him more and given him a draw or the win.:roll:

Tua and McCall were never sent to the canvas, but by your criteria, they would be better defensively than Whitaker. Pep was sent to the canvas on several occasions as was Whitaker. Benitez was put down. Nicolino Locche was stopped, James Toney has been down 3 times, etc. Whitaker's chin wasn't iron, and he was caught and put down for a second, but to say he wasn't great defensively is like saying the Michael Jordan wasn't a great scorer.

Meldrick Taylor got busted up and was stopped and there is nothing that will ever change that,, but had he survived the 12th round, he deserved a decision...is there any denying that? Unless you don't understand the 10 point must system.

Whitaker was cleaning out the lightweight division and established himself as an ATG lightweight. He ended up winning titles in 4 weight classes while Julio won titles at 3.

You are the ****ing ******

 

Yeah, and never caught him.

Usually becuase he would contort himself in crazy ways and was off balance as a result. He only got hurt from one knockdown, against Mayweather.

Can you explain why Chavez only had a handful of fights at lightweight, took the lightweight title he KNEW belonged to Whitaker from Ramirez after robbing him and decided to go up in weight to fight Roger Mayweather again after already having ko'ed him in two rounds and Whitaker already beating him easily? Why not stay and fight the man he knew beat Ramirez? Why not unify a single weight division his whole career? Why not clean out a division?

Personally I think Whitaker's people feared Chavez after the Meldrick Taylor fight, (not Whitaker himself) but at the same time, did Chavez's people go looking for Whitaker? Did they make an offer to Whitaker in that period?

 

The only shortcoming in the Chavez or Ramirez fights were the judging. Yes, the fights will go down as a loss and a draw on his record, but he deserved to win both fights. Whitaker threw over 1000 punches a fight at lightweight. He threw fast, crisp, sharp combinations and had one of the best jabs ever. His only downside was he didn't have a lot of power, but he threw every punch in the book and threw them in combnations - not one punch potshots.

 

guerrerosoul, ineffective aggression doesn't win fights. You need an example of effective aggression, watch Duran-Leonard I or Frazier-Ali I.

 

You know what....I started to write a long post answering your nonsense guerrero, but I see Sweet Scientist already did it. Pretty much what I was going to say!!!!

Well said as usual bro!

 

Okay, I was never a fan of Meldrick Taylor and going into the fight, I wanted Chavez to beat him.

 

Very good points...there are so many robberies in boxing, and it can be useless to argue the final outcome, but it's always fun to talk about/debate as to who we thought won the fight.

 

those "potshots catch the judges' eyes so maybe just maybe if whitaker had potshotted he might have clearly dispalyed his dominance. hit and not get hit don't give the judges a chance to give rounds to the house fighter (ramirez, chavez, and oscar)