Sue's 2nd called him "top 10" in conversation with me yesterday so may have softened a bit on his stance. I just moved him up to #20 which is the highest i've ever had him. His **** beard doesn't help.
12-15 is where he should be, IMO he just didnt do enough to get a top 10 ranking. If he would have taken more big fights between 1989-1996, then yeah he could have been top 10, but he falls short. You cant make a case for ranking him higher than guys like ezzard charles, sam langford, etc. They are just simply bigger legends.
His knockdowns were akin to flash ones, like against Mayweather. He never seemed seriously hurt, at all.