Who’s Afraid Of Valero’s 24-0 Record?

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  1. hellblazer

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    WHO’S AFRAID OF VALERO’S 24-0 RECORD?
    Mugabi was 25-0 (25 KOs) when Hagler tore him to pieces

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    LAREDO, Texas – In boxing, what matters most is quality not quantity.


    Quality of the opponents, not their quantity.

    History has proven that not all boxers who are undefeated and knockout specialists are invincible. To a certain extent, there has to be an ending to their dominance in the square jungle; and records reveal their imminent Waterloo occurs during world championship tussles.

    Former World Boxing Council (WBC) light middleweight champion John “The Beast” Mugabi of Kampala, Uganda was the most prominent among them.

    Mugabi, perhaps the deadliest warrior to grace the middleweight division in the mid-80’s, was 25 years old when he was pitted against Marvelous Marvin Hagler, then undisputed crownholder of the middleweight titles in WBC, World Boxing Association (WBA) and International Boxing Federation (IBF).

    Because Mugabi was ranked No. 1 contender in all the three world boxing bodies and possessed an immaculate and fearsome record of 25 wins, no defeat with all of his 25 wins by coming by way knockout, oddsmakers thought 'The Beast' was the missing link in the long quest to end Hagler’s mind-boggling supremacy in the division.

    They were wrong. On March 10, 1986, Hagler (62-3, 52 KOs) blasted the Ugandan to smithereens in the 11th stanza of the 12-round battle for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world at the Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

    Although he knocked out cold all his previous 25 rivals, Mugabi had no match to the vastly incredible Hagler, then 31 years old, and was the darling of the boxing community in his time.

    Hagler ruled the world unmolested and was unfazed by Mugabi’s fearsome record. 'The Beast' was never the same again after being exposed by Hagler. He lost by technical knockout (TKO) to Duane Thomas in his next fight, a WBC light middleweight showdown also in the same venue.

    On Nov. 3, 1984, former WBC super bantamweight champion Jaime Garza was 40-0 with 38 knockouts when he lost his title by a shock first round knockout to unheralded Juan Meza who had 41 victories against five losses.

    Venezuelan phenom Edwin Valero, 26, has caught the attention of Top Rank promoter Bob Arum for possessing a nerve-tingling 24-0 ledger spiked with 24 knockouts (18 in the first round). He is reportedly next in line for WBC lightweight champion Manny Pacquiao, who is fresh from toppling David Diaz in the 9th round in the fight dubbed “Lethal Combination” at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

    Experts said either Valero will do a Jaime Garza or he will end up the next John Mugabi.

    But Pacquiao (47-3, 36 KOs) said as a fighter, he will only do his best and train hard, and not to pick his opponent.

    Top photo: Marvelous Marvin Hagler (R) and John 'The Beast' Mugabi during their fight on March 10, 1986 at the Ceasars Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada.
     
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  2. pelican

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    comparing valero to mugabi is an insult to the latter.:good
     
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  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Marvin Hagler had one of the greatest chins of all time irrespective of weight class. Manny Pacquiao has already been knocked out twice at a lower weightclass, so to complete rule out a KO victory for Valero would be illogical.
     
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  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly.
    Valero might have a lot of KOs but did he really run into high quality opponents?, a fight with Pacquiao would take him 10 steps above what he's used to.
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

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    Valero is a just above bum level skill-wise, his only calling is his power, which has yet to be tested at the elite level anyway. Mugabi was far better.
     
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  6. Docgear69

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    wasnt Wilfredo Gomez like 34 and 34 ko's, b4 he was defeated by Sanchez
     
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  7. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mugabi had one somewhat notable opponet that he beat and he didnt even really win the guy got injured in the 1st round and the fight was stopped. Hes probablly the most overatted fighter of all time just because he won a few rounds vs a fadded Hagler. A prime Hagler wouldve outboxed him and finished him within 5 but that verison slowed down drastically.
     
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  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    That's different.

    Wilfredo Gomez was a world class operator and an all time great. He just ran into a better fighter in Sanchez.
     
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  9. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know one guy who isn't and that is Manny Pacquiao. Heck, there was a thread on ESB that stated that Team Valero is backing off from Manny and that Edwin is not ready for Manny. If there is any fear, the undefeated Valero is against the beast in Pacman.
     
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  10. Docgear69

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    yeah just saying valero isnt the first with a perfect record
     
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  11. chimba

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    Mugabi was a damn Olympic Silver medalist who can hit with the best of them and have an iron chin to boot. Theres a reason Hagler is one of my all time favorites...The man walked through Mugabis best shots and broke him down physically and mentally..This was an unbelievable war.

    As for Gomez, Gomez was great at 122..Hes never won a fight at 126 he got stopped by Sal and totally dismantled by Nelson at 130. A case of a guy great in his weightclass
     
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  12. Sweet Pea

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    32-0 with 31 KO's, he failed to KO the first opponent of his career. He was defeated after moving up in weight to face Sanchez, who was at his very best for the fight, and the naturally bigger man. Gomez actually fought better than given credit for, considering his survived the initial onslaught and fought well until the 8th round before being stopped. After that fight he was never truly the same, though he did still have a lot of fight left, as proved in his war with Pintor, which was probably one of the best fights of all time.
     
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  13. pelican

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    24-0 is not a record. it is valeros record. its the competition, not those numbers
     
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  14. PATSYS

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    Valero's management team should have pitted him against decent opponents already by now so they know is he is for real. But they chose to pick no-hopers in exchance for the KO in his resume.
     
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  15. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    afraid of valero? i would even have guys at the lower weight class to beat him
     
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