Who´d do better at HW today, Frank Bruno or Ingemar Johansson ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GOAT Primo Carnera, May 4, 2021.

Who´d do better in todays HW division?

  1. Bruno

  2. Ingo

  3. They´d do about equal at CW or HW

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Ingo stopped Eddie Machen who went 10 with Liston as well as Floyd Patterson.
    No need to explain Frank, he´s infamous enough for another BF24 Classic Episode of "HW Fighter of the Week".
     
  2. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze No Fairy Tales• Full Member

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    Frank would get beat up by CWs today, and his own era. Ingo would hang tough with the LHWs of today.
     
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frank would do OK today. I even give him a shot at beating AJ.
    Ingo?? No, not so much, be surprised if he even got a title shot.
     
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  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe not real life Ingo, but ESB Ingo would tear through the division, and annihilate everyone in his path to get the title.
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ahh well that's different Swag, ESB Ingo makes Liston, Tyson and Foreman his foot stools!
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If they're worthy of course :lol:
     
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  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    Neither would do much, but Ingo would fight at CW most likely. Bruno wouldn't be anything special, roughly the same as he was in his era.

    Another agenda-driven thread made by Primo, great contribution as usual!
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Today’s heavyweight title scene, whilst being an entertaining era, is a different division even to the one Frank fought in.

    I think Frank would do very well. At least as well as he did in the 1980s.

    He is better than wilder but that does not necessarily mean he can beat Wilder because Whilst Frank did very well losing to Lewis and Witherspoon he still lost those fights.

    I don’t think Wilder ever beat a good fighter. His best opponent was an old guy which is kind of the same for Joshua actually but at least AJ has some form and has at least beaten guys trying to win.

    Even Fury probably would not stand out in Franks era and I rate Fury better than AJ..but even this does not mean Frank Bruno can beat Fury.

    Frank did not have a champions temperament. And this would let him down in a weaker era than he fought in because Bruno just was not proven against live opponents of his level. He was big brave and inspiring. But he just got knocked out whenever it really counted.

    Ingo? I think Ingo was a proven fighter in a completely different weight class to what the heavyweight division is now.

    Since there was no super heavyweight division in the 1950s nobody who is around now at “heavyweight” could exist as they are today in Ingos era.

    And the reverse is true against Ingo. He could not exist today as he was then either.

    The main crux of the matter is that for their times, Ingo was about as proven for his day as anyone can be and Frank for his day fell way short of this.

    At least Frank fits into the modern weight class, but never forget he was no world beater in his own time.

    Ingo was a world beater but in a completely different division.

    it’s a bit like saying how does Sugar Ray Robinson fare at middleweight today? The middleweights might be 180 in the ring today. Yet he’s still better than Rocky Fielding.
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So can you answer the question the OP asked? Who would do better at HEAVYWEIGHT, Ingo or Bruno? No long essays, or anything of the sort. You have 2 options. Bruno or Ingo.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Ingo did better at heavyweight. Because he became undisputed champion.

    it’s a bit like saying how does Sugar Ray Robinson fare at middleweight today? The middleweights might be 180 in the ring today. Yet Robinson is still better than Rocky Fielding.
     
  11. fists of fury

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    In one-off fights between best versions, a case can be made for the smaller man. For sure.
    It's extremely difficult to reconcile the notion that a 200 pounder can compete with the big boys over the course of a career, at least at the higher levels.

    To put it this way, if 193 pound Roy Jones who beat Ruiz thought he could have made a successful career at heavyweight, he would have tried his luck more. There would be some major money fights out there for him.
    But he was wise and knew his limitations.

    It sounds like a shallow argument, but over the course of a career, size does matter at heavyweight.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ingo DID better as in past tense, because he fought in a much different era.

    Please answer the question. Who would do better TODAY in the HEAVYWEIGHT division? No squirming or trying to get out of it.
     
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  13. Bah Lance

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    I don't think anyone rates Bruno as high as Liston, Tyson, and Foreman, and if they do their delusional. So I'm not sure how picking Ingo over Bruno equates to such a hyperbolic statement.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chok says he'd favor Ingo over Liston. And yes you're correct, he's a delusional fool.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    It's funny how even giving Johansson a favourable chance against a second-rater like Bruno triggers all this nonsense about how this forum "rates Ingo" as some sort of indestructible god.

    No, most of us are just saying, look, he was good for a couple of years, and Bruno was never much good.
    "But, but, Bruno 230 pounds .... KO % .... but, blah, blah".

    Nah, Bruno wasn't much good.