Who´d do better at HW today, Frank Bruno or Ingemar Johansson ?

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Who´d do better in todays HW division?

  1. Bruno

  2. Ingo

  3. They´d do about equal at CW or HW

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    He fought in a different division. It’s super heavyweight now.

    the division that couldn’t exist before.
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I don’t favour Ingo over Liston actually.

    I give Ingo perhaps a 50-50 chance on his best ever day...but that’s not favouring him, that’s a punchers chance.

    Overall Liston should always beat Ingo because he’s better.

    overall Liston is much better than Frank Bruno.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    I think they might both do OK. If a guy like Kownacki gets rated highly then I believe they could too. Today's HW division is nothing to write home about.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Precisely
     
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  5. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, even for the most legitimate contenders it takes a 10 round points decision over Chisora or Jennings to make top 10 these days, neither of which are beyond Frank or Ingemar.
    Or they might chase Hughie Fury around the ring for the prize.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    I agree with the point your sarcasm is designed to illustrate. And to solidify that point, Kubrat Pulev remained in the ratings for years without doing much of anything. I don’t however see Ingemar Johansson going very far in any post modern heavyweight division. At 6’1, 199 lbs or whatever he was, he’d be smaller than some modern day cruisers. In order to make that jump he’d have to be superb boxer with elite skills and speed to make up for the size difference and he wasn’t that type of fighter. He more or less stood right in front of people and tried to deck them which doesn’t work well when you have an average chin and against guys who have about six inches in height and 40-50 lbs in weight over you.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    He was a better boxer than that.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Johansson might have to go on the Ruiz/Kownacki diet to impress the scales.
     
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  9. mr. magoo

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    How do you anticipate him doing today if he were around and in the exact same form as he was in 1959 ? This means no changes to style or physique . Would he be a heavyweight and if so how would he fair ?
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    He'd do okay.
    He could make cruiser or heavyweight.
    He wouldn't make it to #1 but he'd be among the top 5 or 10.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stop being a coward and answer the question.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    I could see him making top 10 in CW division. I think his prospect journey through heavyweight would be brutal
     
  13. choklab

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    I think Ingo could do as well as David Haye. Not one of the best, but good enough to make an impression for a bit.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Ingo would do far better than Haye did IMO. I think Usyk, Joshua and Fury clearly should be favoured to beat him, and Ruiz, Hrgovic and Joyce are too big and tough for him. Wilder, Whyte and Ortiz have a puncher's chance, but I doubt that they all beat him. I also doubt Ingo is undefeated vs the three of them. He'd beat Hunter though. Bruno would beat Whyte, Ortiz, Joyce and Hrgovic here IMO.

    Essentially, they do about the same.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You still haven't answered the question. Don't even bother coward. My point is proven.