Who’s road through the amateurs and first 20 pro fights has been more impressive?? Usyk’s or Ali’s?

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Who’s road through the amateurs and first 20 pro fights has been more impressive?? Usyk’s or Ali’s??

  1. Oleksandr Usyk's

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    83.3%

  2. Muhammad Ali's

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    16.7%
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  1. Daggerz

    Daggerz Member banned Full Member

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    Both were excellent amateurs :number_one: And both started their pro careers hugely impressively

    So overall who would you say through the amateurs to the first 20 pro fights was the most impressive? - Oleksandr 'the cat' Usyk The Ultimate road warrior Or Muhammed 'The Louisville Lip' Ali :cool:
     
    Daggerz, Dec 30, 2022
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  2. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    I think it’s very hard to argue against Usyk here. And just think… pretty much ALL of his world championship wins have been in his opponents backyards!! Who else has done that??

    Usyk hands down in this one!
     
    CooperKupp, Dec 30, 2022
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  3. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Both done extremely well but fought in different eras, Ali’s era was 15 rounds with 1 belt holder and Usyks era was 12 rounds with multiple belt holders as well as Ali’s first pro fight being around 53 years before Usyks first pro fight .
     
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  4. Daggerz

    Daggerz Member banned Full Member

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    Usyks wins were all on the road though, and he was in an era where the world could compete. Ali fought mostly only americans.
     
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  5. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would make a strong argument for Leon Spinks here. Olympic Champion then 8 fights later, World Heavyweight Champion.
     
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  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Spinks went 14-4-2 in his first 20.
     
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  7. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whenever you get through bumping your gums, Usyk ain't on Ali's level.
     
    Manfred, Dec 30, 2022
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  8. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Within the OP ,I think my point is pretty fair.
     
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  9. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    I say Ali given that he became both olympic and world champion at a far younger age
     
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  10. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Nah. Compared to Usyk’s road? No. Sorry. Lol

    Spinks rose up the ranks to a title impressively yes but he didn’t unify two different weight classes in his opponents backyards. What Usyk has accomplished is unheard of
     
    CooperKupp, Dec 31, 2022
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  11. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Inoue.

    And not joking.
     
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  12. Bart Allen

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    1 ALL of Ali's world championship wins have been in his opponents backyards, too: the U.S. -- not exactly Ali's fault that the belt holders were coincidently all Americans ~
    2. Easier to unify when there's a competition that featured all of the belt-holders ~
     
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  13. kirk

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    Ali had 20 fights in like 4 years, Usyks barely going to have more than 20 fights in his entire career.

    Careers are cultivated so differently in the modern era (usually) such as to make these comparisons a bit apples and oranges, imo.
     
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a comically bad argument that spectacularly misses the point.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Clay made his professional debut on October 29, 1960, winning a six-round decision over Tunney Hunsaker. From then until the end of 1963, Clay amassed a record of 19–0 with 15 wins by knockout. He defeated boxers including Tony Esperti, Jim Robinson, Donnie Fleeman, Alonzo Johnson, George Logan, Willi Besmanoff, LaMar Clark, Doug Jones, and Henry Cooper. Clay also beat his former trainer and veteran boxer Archie Moore in a 1962 match.
    These early fights were not without trials. Clay was knocked down by both Sonny Banks and Cooper.
     
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