Who’s the hardest hitting boxer of all time?

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  1. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That doesn’t work with the Heavyweights,They are the biggest fighters at the highest weight but putting your flawed bias towards Heavyweights method aside,they can still be p4p the hardest hitters as well as physically the hardest hitters in reality.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    But P4P means that when middleweight was terrifying puncher in HW division, he's more impressive than the hardest hitting HWs, even if these HWs punch a bit harder.

    Let's say that we rate Fitzsimmons punching power at 8/10 at HW. He weighed around 160 lbs. He would be higher than someone like Tua with 10/10 and 220 lbs.

    8/160>10/220

    It's oversimplified idea but you get the point. Fitzsimmons was a monster puncher in all three divisions he fought in and he mostly fought around middleweight weight. I don't think that people realize how impressive it was.
     
  3. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons at 160+ knocking out heavyweights 20 or 30 pounds heavier isn’t much different from Tyson or Tua who were 215-220 knocking out taller bigger fighters 20-30 pounds heavier than themselves is it? What about heavyweights like Foreman? In just about all his fights he was the bigger guy especially old Foreman but take him at his prime at 6’3 and about 220 pounds, you think he couldn’t knock out say todays bigger heavyweights who are nearly all routinely 240 or 250+ ?

    Yeah p4p debates are always dependent on how you interpret the way it works but to me heavyweights can still be included as been p4p the hardest hitters as well.
     
  4. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just because you weigh more does not mean your can take punches better. Weight in of itself does not make a “chin” tougher nor improve the ability to take body punches to vital areas.

    Look at the way Wlad fell in sections when hit by Brewster as one example. Wlad had a 17 pound advantage in that fight.

    Toughness is an integral attribute unrelated to size. You can be 250 pounds or 200 pounds and be tough. You can also be 250 pounds or 200 pounds and have a glass chin.
     
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  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No one was talking about toughness.

    Simple question, Harry. Do you think Heavyweights can be p4p the biggest hitters?
     
  6. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My response was to the poster who questioned Foreman’s ability to KO today’s larger hwts as if there was a great correlation between a huge hwt and the ability to take a punch.

    Toughness includes the ability to take a punch. The Size of a heavyweight and great chin/toughness/ability to take punishment is not correlated. Large hwts can have good or bad chins. Smaller hwts can have good or bad chins. Can you imagine Foreman’s Sunday punch hitting Wlad? Wlad bigger yes but he would not get up for days. lol.
     
  7. McGrain

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    No.

    A glass-chinned HW isn't going to get knocked out by a 105lb fighter. Similarly, a granite-chinned 105lb fighter is more susceptible to a knockout by a moderately hitting 200lb fighter than a granite-chinned 200lb fighter.

    Because punch resistance is not "unrelated to size."
     
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  8. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The correlation is a very loose one.

    You can get a middleweight who has an excellent chin at heavyweight.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, that's irrefutably true.

    But you can't get a flyweight with an excellent chin at heavyweight.

    That's because a sliding scale exists. Most of us accept that Mike Tyson would be more likely to be knocked out by George Foreman than Julian Jackson.
     
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  10. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We are talking hwts.

    A glass chin does not get “better” when said hwt gains 20 pounds.

    A bigger hwt does not mean a tougher hwt just as a bigger hwt does not necessarily hit harder than a smaller hwt.
     
  11. McGrain

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    That's fairer then I think. A 212lb man could have a granite jaw at the big poundage, that's your point? I'd agree with that.

    But size does contribute to the ability to absorb energy from punches.
     
  12. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A bigger hwt has more POTENTIAL to hit harder as the weight you put behind a blow is a contributing factor. However a big hwt with poor technique, against a small hwt with technique...the smaller hwt would probably hit harder.

    Punching power is all about speed, technique, timing and weight. This is why Dempsey and Marciano were allot more destructive than Carnera as an exaggerated example.

    Some hwts can take a punch. Some cannot. Taking a punch has to do with multiple factors including the skill of rolling with a punch to lessen its effect. If a hwt has a “glass” chin gaining 20 pounds won’t improve it. It will still shatter on impact!
     
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  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Herbie Hide was an example of a really good, small hwywt puncher who was more about accuracy and snap than weight. He was very underrated in that regard imo.
     


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