AJ - already has a better a resume than HOF Vitali and has a resume on par with Wlad. Usyk - best CW resume of all time. Loma - 3 weight world champion and became WC in fewest pro fights.
AJ does not yet have a resume on par with Wlad, but he's still young. With wins over some of the better current heavyweights such as Tyson Fury in the next few years, has a chance of surpassing Wlad. He could unify all the belts with a win over Fury, something Wlad never did, due to the cowardice of Wilder. I think if Fury fights Joshua, then the WINNER should definitely go into the IBHOF.
If they retired tomorrow? Tyson Fury. Canelo Alvarez. Deontay Wilder. And maybe Kovalev. Heavyweight champions tend to make it in. The only WORLD heavyweight champions (like Fury) who are eligible and not in the Hall, I believe, are Carnera and Leon Spinks. So Fury is a sure thing. Wilder made 10 successful WBC heavyweight title defenses, including one successful defense over Fury. Every heavyweight champ who made that many successful defenses or more is in. I know people on this board don't care for him, but Wilder will be difficult to keep out once he's eligible. A five-year reign at heavyweight is a long time. Alvarez. No discussion needed. Kovalev ... The Hopkins "name" definitely helps. If Ward gets inducted (and he will), that'll help. Loma and Usyk seem like a sure things, but, if it was tomorrow, I don't know if either does. Loma has only won 14 fights. How many modern boxers are in the Hall of Fame with 14 wins? And there isn't anyone really "historically" notable on his resume. Same with Usyk. Only 17 wins. He unified. But is anyone he fought headed for the Hall? It's not like there are a boatload of guys who spent their whole careers at cruiserweight in the Hall of Fame. Actually, none that recall. Holyfield and Qawi were cruiserweight champs, but they won titles in other divisions, too. Cruiser is a division that doesn't get much love. Seems like Loma and Usyk are sure to get in after more wins and titles. But at this moment, probably not.
Didn't Leon Spinks become the undisputed heavyweight champion in only his eighth fight? Against a Hall of Famer, no less? He isn't in. And Usyk didn't beat Ali in that tournament. Gassiev isn't Ali.
Leon Spinks was never undisputed, he was stripped of the WBC immediately for not fighting Ken Norton. He also never defended a belt, and had a hit and miss career post Ali. Leon Spinks is a nice bit of boxing trivia, but that's about as far as his accolades go for me. I'm not even gonna mention how far past prime Ali was, at that point, or the fact he was unlucky nor to get the decision.
they’re all still active. Rigo came out of hiding after quitting against loma Pacman is still beating up top welters ggg is waiting for his canelo payday and scraping past fighters why can you never answer the question? You change it to other fighters for some odd reason. Obviously the fighters you mentioned will get in. What’s your point? the OPs point is whether the LISTED fighters get in because some may consider them borderline or not worthy. Get it?
He won the undisputed heavyweight title. How the hell was he not "undisputed?" Good Lord. So, he got stripped later, when he took the deal with Ali over the deal with Norton. Big deal. He WON the undisputed heavyweight title from Muhammad Ali and was crowned the UNDISPUTED champion in his EIGHTH pro fight.
Wasn't Ali supposed to be stripped before the fight, but, politics and money? Norton won a title eliminator that guaranteed him a shot at the WBC belt before they were set to fight is my understanding of it. Ali dodged the mandatory.
No. Ali was not supposed to be stripped before the fight. Spinks and Ali agreed the winner would fight Norton. Spinks was an optional defense. CBS offered Ali money to fight that February because it was sweeps month and they wanted one of his fights to boost the network ratings that week. When Ali lost and Spinks decided to take Ali's offer for a rematch over Norton's, the WBC stripped Spinks (primarily because Don King was Ken Norton's exclusive promoter at that time and King didn't have promotional rights to Ali or Spinks, and King and Sulaiman wanted to take control of the title). Regardless, Spinks WON the undisputed title from Ali. There were no other titleholders when Spinks beat Ali. Ali had all the belts and was the Ring champion. When you WIN the world championship you become the world champion. That's why you hear "AND THE NEW ..." They don't delay naming you world champion until you successfully defend it. Do I really need to explain this? Seriously? WTF?
Why you getting muggy for? I'm trying to have a conversation not an argument. I know what it means to be undisputed champ, but it was my understanding that Ali was supposed to fight Norton as a mandatory and based on that, it seems like the only reason Ali still held that belt was star power. I wasn't even alive at the time, so I have no idea of the intricacies of how many optionals he had left and when exactly he's supposed to fight his mandatory. Regardless, he set a record at heavyweight, Usyk's was at cruiserweight.
End of the day Usyk did set the record at cruiser and his resume at cruiser is absolutely exceptional let’s see how he gets on at heavy. One thing working against Usyk is today’s top heavyweights are giants, he will have to be on his A game for 12 rounds if he wants to become a champ.
Couldn't agree more. To be honest I think him going up to HW has the potential to do more harm than good to his legacy, but we'll see eh. Just gotta get through this ****ing lockdown first.
Fury Canelo Usyk Lomachenko Fury and Canelo have wins over other ATG or HOF-level fighters, while Usyk's victories at cruiserweight are historic for the division. Loma has dominated several weight classes but is helped by a pretty steep amateur career. I don't think Crawford is quite there yet. If he retired tomorrow he'd be remembered for falling well short of expectations, not celebrated for beating Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, and Khan (good wins but not quite HOF material).
