Who are some of the greatest H2H fighters in the history of the sport?

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  1. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I wouldn't put Hopkins up there H2H. Part of the reason he's done so well is because he fights old school in an era when most people aren't prepared for it; he'd do much worse against people who constantly see people who fight Hopkins' style.

    I'd throw Finito Lopez on the list as well. Not sure anyone ever beats him at 105 without getting pretty lucky.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Interesting.
     
  3. yesihavearm

    yesihavearm Active Member Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis is possibly the best H2H for me.
    I think a prime Lewis would be favourite or at least 50/50 against any of the top10 heavyweights of all time.

    Hopkins also. Id favour him against Monzon and Hagler.
     
  4. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    :lol: Yeah, you like fighters old and new.. but you seem to have a very obvious bias towards fighters from the old era.

    First of all, I don't worship RJJ and he's not even one of my top favorite fighters. I just recognize his talent and underrated acccomplishments, unlike people like you. You like to talk about Charles' wins over ATG's and I bet you would include wins over a guy like Joey Maxim.. someone who is far for great, especially on a H2H level. You right away start talking about Jones' vulnerable chin while ignoring the fact that Charles' chin was very vulnerable too. But Jones' far superior movement, speed/quickness, and reflexes would give Charles huge problems trying to connect a big punch on him. Jones would connect punches to Charles' head and body with much greater ease.

    Williams can't even be compared to RJJ. It's impossible to argue with someone who favors old time fighters as much as you do. You overrate their accomplishments and qualities while underrating a modern fighter like him. You're quick to insult me because I see things clearly and don't need to glorify the past. The only ignorant one here is you.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    At 168, you'd have to say Jones and Calzaghe to beat most fighters in history who fought around that weight class, which is a good crop.

    Nobody should even be listing any pre-60's fighters, considering the comparison, this includes Robinson.
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Why are you placing an emphasis on resume in h2h match ups. Jones destroyed people, in his earlier years at light heavy. His chin never looked suspect what so ever. You are severely under rating him IMO.
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Good post. Arguing with people who favour older fighters is about as intelligent as eating bricks. There is no way we are ever going to prove otherwise. Basically McGrain, I disagree with your opinion, but your entitled to it. The posters in this thread have done this topic to death it seems. I don't really have anything else to say that hasn't been said before.
     
  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr.

    Lennox Lewis
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's got to be lennox lewis, he match's up well against all the heavyweights and i doubt anyone under heavyweight could beat him, lol
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Demonstrated how?

    Unlike people like me? Bud, where are you getting this from? Roy Jones is my FIRST pick in answer to the question, "WHO ARE SOME OF THE GREATEST H2H FIGHTERS?"

    Explain to me how this is me failing to recognize his talents?

    Also explain how i fail to recognise his "underatted accomplisments"? I say his resume isn't as good as the great resme fighters he would be beating head to head - you think i'm wrong?

    Well you'd lose that bet my friend. I don't rate Maxim at all. I think he is one of the most overated boxers in the history of a sport. Doing well, aren't you?

    In a thread where an idiot says "Charles would beat Jones easily" I might bring up Charles' vulnerable chin as an example of why this may not be true. In a thread where an idiot says "Jones would beat Charles easily" - like you did - I will raise Jones' vulnerable chin as an example of why this might not be the case. This is why I raise Jones' weak chin and not Charles'.

    I agree with most of this. I have picked Jones consistantly to beat Charles in Classic (where it comes up a lot) on the grounds that he does not need to maintain a rythym and Charles really does (in my opinion) whilst Jones is a wonderful rythym breaking fighter - elusive and capable of making unpredictable angles.

    Right, because you've seen a lot of footage of Williams to make this distinction? I haven't - there isn't any. So we're interested in newspaper reports and resume.

    You might - might - be interested to hear that Eddie Futch picked Holman Williams as the best fighter he has ever, ever seen.

    As to resume, Burley x3, Moore, Cocoa Kid, Lloyd Marshall, Jack Chase, I could go on, but this is already more ATG fighters than Jones has, or will ever have, on his resume. So your analysis is incredibley bias.

    I've picked Jones and Mayweather as examples of H2H monsters in my original post, picked Jones to beat Charles (just not "easily", which is ridiculous) so I really don't know how you're going to back this accusation up.

    You on the other hand CLEARLY have a heavy, heavy bias towards modern fighters.

    You're really going to have to let this one go I'm afraid. I mentioned Roy Jones as one of the greatest h2h fighters of all time in my original post. All the rest is inside your head.
     
  11. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis would take many heavyweights heads off head th head.

    Tommy Hearns of course.

    Than any defensive masters like Pea, Locche, Pep.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I really can't beleive this is happening.

    The post you responded to is in response to someone who said that Jones would beat Charles and Moore EASILY, which I think is ridiculous.

    Please read the thread. In my first post I pick Jones as a h2h monster in response to the question in the thread title. Why is that underating him?!
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    NO YOU DON'T. WE BOTH PICK JONES AS A H2H MONSTER, WE BOTH PICK JONES TO BEAT CHARLES.
     
  14. KhanB

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    Lewis.
    Hopkins.
    Toney.
    One day, maybe Wlad. Depends on his chin.
     
  15. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Sorry mate, i totally mis-read your post. I thought you were saying that Roy Jones doesn't have h2h ability based on his inferior resume. I rushed through it too fast. My mistake.