Who Are The Classic Fighter's That Destroy Wilder?

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Age is a far better indicator of prime than number of fights.

Plenty of guys today have more fights than Beterbiev as well.
I don't consider Alvarez past prime in 2021 despite having 60 fights
or 2024 Jaime Munguia with 45 fights

 

I'm not dismissive of Wilder. I consider him either the 3rd or 4th best HW of his era.

As I said, that makes him a good, decent fighter, but, allied with a shallow win resume over HWs who were amongst the 10 best in the world, certainly doesn't make him an ATG.

Fan boys and haters aside, I can't see mant disagreeing with my above assessments.

 

The point flew waaaaaaaaay over your head - surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a waste of time.

 

My main point was Beterbiev is past his best not that Beterbiev at 39 is exactly the same as Louis at that age. I'd have no way of knowing anyway as Louis was retired. But you bringing it up in the first place reeks of bias. I apologize for overreacting. I'd appreciate it if you had some critiques that involve him as a younger fighter and not as a 39 year old coming off surgery.

If you think him having a close fight at that stage in his career over an unbeaten younger opponent is some huge stain that's your prerogative but maybe you can appreciate others might not see it in quite such a damning light no?

Fury was only 35 when he was humiliated by Ngannou who had never won a pro fight. Don't you find this just a tad more forgiveable than getting dropped and hurt by someone who never boxed. I don't see you citing that fight as proof Fury (and by extension Usyk who had a close fight with Fury) are terrible fighters.

Pre-Bivol Beterbiev knocked out everyone he faced. How does this fit with your statement that he had his hands full with non-ATG light heavyweights? Isn't knocking literally everyone out prettty decisive? What more do you expect of him?

 

Jerry Quarry.

Wilder is not sturdy (rocked badly by Molina, had to cheat against Ortiz), cannot keep his range when on the back foot, and is overall too predictable for a fighter with Jerry's pedigree.

It's a repeat of Mac Foster, except I reckon Wilder's management wouldn't let him in with the remains of Cleveland Williams that Mac smashed.

In general though, too many to list, starting with K2, Lewis, Povetkin, and Ibeabuchi, and moving down to the likes of Morrison and Tua.

Puncher's chance is only scary on paper and when assessing risk-reward ratio. Reality would often be bloody brutal for Wilder.

 

Tbh I'm a bit confused Jan, I don't see JT1 making Wilder out to be an ATG, or anything of the sort? Did you mean to quote Dubble's post?

 

* Nine years ranked the #3 contender OR HIGHER by your beloved Ring.
* 108 straight months the number #3 contender or HIGHER by your beloved Ring,

* WBC heavyweight champion for FIVE of those years.
* 11 wins in WBC title fights.
* 10 successful heavyweight title defenses, including a successful eighth title defense against Tyson Fury. (Only Wilder and Usyk have a successful defense against Fury)
* 16-year pro career.
* Knocked out everyone he faced for the first 12 years.
* Gave up weight to every man he faced for the last 12 years.

Shallow wins for 16 years? Just decent for 16 years?

Sorry, it doesn't wash. Ring magazine doesn't even agree with you.

I know you have the names.

You won't list the heavyweights who were ranked the #3 contender or higher by Ring every month for nine straight years because they're all Hall of Famers and none of them are JUST DECENT.

Otto Wallin gets ranked #10 by Ring for a couple months, quits against Joshua, immediately falls out of the top 10. He was Just Decent.

Not the guys ranked #3 contenders or higher for NINE YEARS in a row.

All the guys in history who Ring ranked no lower than #3 contender for nine straight years, month in and month out, are far more than that.

And there aren't many.

You know it.

If you're going to insist Ring is the BEST OBJECTIVE INDICATOR of the quality of a fighter's resume ... then list all the guys who were ranked by Ring as high as Wilder, month in and month out, for nine straight years like Wilder was.

Who did Ring think were Wilder's peers all-time, based on their monthly ratings? You've got them all.

"Just decent" fighters aren't going to be on that list.

More like Ali. More like Frazier. More like Louis. Hell, Larry Holmes wasn't rated #3 by Ring or higher for that long, was he? He cracked the #3 contender spot in 1978, and was out of the ratings entirely by 1987.

Nine Years, month in and month out, is a very, very, very long time to be considered one of the very top fighters.

Short list, I'm thinking. Not one JUST DECENT guy on it.

Ring is, after all, the BEST OBJECTIVE INDICATOR of the QUALITY of a fighter's RESUME ... after all. You said so yourself.

Fan boys and haters be damned.

 

Wilder's not sturdy, but Quarry is? Joe Alexander had Quarry all but out. And you're talking about Molina?

Wilder's so sturdy, he suffered a broken hand AND a torn bicep, both requiring surgery to repair, and he still stopped Chris Arreola.

Quarry would get cut, and the fight would stop. CUT. When did Quarry suffer a broken hand and a torn bicep and STILL WIN?

Wilder's the most freaking sturdy guy there is, when you consider he was outweighed by everyone he fought for the last 12 years, suffered so many broken bones and torn muscles during that time that he was often in surgery after for something after many fights ... AND HE STILL KEPT WINNING.

Quarry fought THREE times against guys who weighed more than 220 pounds. In his whole career. THREE. (Two of them being Charlie Reno and Stamford Harris.)

Wilder fought 40 times against guys who weighed more than 220.

And Wilder wasn't quitting in the corner if he got a cut.

You guys have it all ass-backwards, I swear to god. How long is it going to take you to catch up?

Wilder's knocking out guys with his broken hands, and Quarry's face cuts like tissue paper and it's over.

Real sturdy.

 

Ring disagrees. In fact, they disagreed for about 10 years. And they're the most objective.

Catch up.

 

Sorry, overrated frauds don't get ranked among the top #3 contenders every month for nine straight years.

Go ahead, check out who was ranked as a top 3 contender by Ring every month for nine straight years in its glorious 100+ year history.

That's a long time to be wrong when you're the most objective source for the quality of a fighter's resume.

And it wasn't the same staff doing the voting all nine years.

 

It would have been a step too far for them, but I think Usyk woudl have taken him.