Who Are The Classic Fighter's That Destroy Wilder?

The problem is not so much those final losses, which as you say were past his prime.

The problem is that even when he was in his prime, he was not beating the best or brightest in the division.

 

I don't have a list of HWs ordered by the number of years they were ranked top 3 by Ring magazine.

What specifically about my post do you disagree with? Aside from your objections to the term decent to describe Wilder?

Is it that I said that i think he was the 3rd or 4th best HW of his era?

Or that I don't consider him an ATG?

Or that only 3 wins over top 10 Ring HWs is a shallow win resume relative to ATG HWs?

 

Wilder has 11 wins and a (two-knockdown successful title defense) draw (12) over ranked fighters and his four losses were all to highly ranked fighters.

And going 11-4-1 against 16 ranked fighters is far from shallow relative to all-time great heavyweights ... considering all-time great heavyweights PAID NO ATTENTION to the Ring ratings.

That's why he was ranked the #3 contender or #2 or #1 by Ring every month for nine straight years.

How do you not get that?

You guys want it both ways. You want to ignore the ratings that boxers actually follow, and tout Ring, yet the ratings you tout ranked Wilder higher for longer than most fighters in the history of the division.

You've been bashing Wilder for so long with this arbitrary nonsense, you lost the plot.

Ring doesn't even agree with your argument against him. IT NEVER DID. Ring NEVER judged Wilder on the criteria you're using. Look how highly they rated him for so long. Every month. For NINE years.

Some of you guys are so stuck in the same belittling arguments I don't think you'll ever catch up.

 

You haven't been specific about what it is that I've said that you disagree with.

I've said:

1. I think Wilder was the 3rd or 4th best HW of his era.
2. Wilder isn't an ATG.
3. Wilder has a shallow win resume relative to ATG HWs.

If you'd like to directly disagree with any of the above, I'll happily debate you on the matter.

If you want to continue waffling on about how many alphabet title defences Wilder made, please kindly refrain from quoting my posts when doing so. It will save me the time scrolling through your paragraphs to see if you've said anything specific to what I've posted.

 

I can't be any more specific.

* I disagree with all three points.
* Ring doesn't even agree with your points.
* Ring never ranked Wilder based on your how many current Ring contenders he faced (clearly).
* Wilder has an 11-4-1 record against ranked fighters.
* He only lost to top rated fighters.
* 16 fights against top rated guys, only losing to other top rated guys, isn't a shallow resume All-time heavyweight resume.

You can't even use Ring to support your argument, because Ring doesn't agree with you about Wilder.

They rated Wilder higher for longer than a huge number of ATGs in history.

The criteria you're using to rate him isn't even criteria Ring uses. They considered his alphabet defenses when rating him THE WHOLE TIME. (Seriously, how slow does one have to be to never have picked up on that?)

Ring isn't on your side. They never agreed with you. You can quit citing them.

Is that clear enough? Christ.

 

I'd say Ingemar Johansson.

 

You disagree with my assertion that Wilder is not an ATG.

Do you realise your view in that regard is in the minority?

 

He's including alphabet rankings.

 

Why would it be a step too far though? Bivol for example seems better defensively than classical heavies his size and has never been dropped that I can recall? You also have guys like Breidis and Gassiev. Breidis again has never been stopped or even dropped that I can recall.

I'd pick any number of these guys to be heavyweight champs in other eras.

 

I also disagree with dubblechin but you need a better argument than "your opinion is unpopular" you would need to explain why you think his opinion doesn't make sense.

 

Bivol to date has never fought north of 175.

Realistically he would have to see how he got on at cruiser, before contemplating the move to heavyweight.

I am not saying that it would necessarily be a step too far for Bredis or Gassiev.

 

Have you not followed their exchange?

 

Could Wilder have, to use his parlance, actually "caught a body" in the ring if he had fought one of the smaller heavyweights in history?