Who are the highest risk lowest return fighters in history?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Doesn't have to be an entire career, it can be a certain point in that career.

    The question is, basically, who and when?

    What fighter was really, really good, but without the financial clout to make the risk worth it for a top contender/champion?
     
  2. stonerose

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    Michael Watson springs to mind although i suppose we will never really know, he was taken away in his prime. At the time though fighters from the states could have made more money against Eubank and Benn for arguably less risk.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Any dangerous puncher Corrie Sanders, and Jullian Jackson come to mind,
     
  4. McGrain

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    I think Micheal Watson is a great shout.

    Mendoza, I see what you mean, but on the other hand the public loves murderous punchers. Juan Manuel Lopez is the latest example. Knock enough guys out and you'll get the big fights.
     
  5. janitor

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    I would tend to say slick boxers with an unexciting style who were almost impossible to outpoint.

    Guys like Jimmy Young, and Maxie Rosenbloom spring to mind.
     
  6. stonerose

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    Herol Graham as well was very very high risk for anyone but didn't bring the coinage in in the same way as your Benns and Eubanks .Again, not talking domestically, for foreign fighters Graham was a bad fight.
    Although on the other hand he always seemed to fall short in his big fights.
     
  7. stonerose

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    Life can be a *****. Michael Watson could have been up there with the best MW'S of the era i reckon, he was relatively young and although he lost in that second Eubank fight he was sensational up until that awful knockout. He was improving all the time.
     
  8. My dinner with Conteh

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    George Benton.
    Mike McCallum, Herol Graham in the mid-80s,
    Jimmy Young of course, although he recieved a few opportunities but the decision(s) stank so he couldn't again.
    The Viruet brothers.
    Bobby Watts.
     
  9. My dinner with Conteh

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    I agree with this. We just don't know what Michael could have done. It's fair to say he was outclassed by McCallum though, but he wasn't ready for a fighter of Mike's calibre at that time.
     
  10. janitor

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    I guess Charlie Burley is the all time answer.
     
  11. McGrain

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    As I remember it, Watson's performance in Eubank II is one of the best i've seen in a British ring ever. Not to put to fine a point upon it, Watson was of the opinion he was robbed first time around - whatever your own feelings that was the fighter's feelings - and that's why he pushed so hard for the KO. Watson was a monster at 168, and like Conteh says, more ready for world class opposition than when he was hammered by McCallum.

    Who is Bobby Watts MDWC?
     
  12. McGrain

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    Is and isn't. There was serious money behind Charley for about one year in the second half of his career (I can find out what year if it's important to anyone). He just couldn't get anyone into the ring with him! But the rewards were there.

    He'd become duckable, within the industry, nobody was holidng people to account for it, it was the norm.

    How about Elmar Ray?
     
  13. stonerose

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    Was that SMW ? Thought he never made the step up. Oh aye think that was his and Eubanks first fight there, may be wrong.
    He was on the verge of the long-overdue big breakthrough with that second Eubank fight,on the evrge of becoming a household name, which of course he did become for the wrong reasons.
    The McCallum fight, i remember watching that as a kid and although he was second best i dont think he was out-classed, showed amazing guts and went after Mccallum until the brutal knockout.
    The way he dealt with a very aggressive Benn was beautiful as well, he was very much the second favourite but ate up what Benn had to throw, took some very heavy shots but ended up knocking out a ****ed Benn with a jab. Another top fight.
     
  14. stonerose

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    I get what you mean now Mcgrain, he pushed for the KO in the second fight fearing another robbery ,when in reality he was far ahead on the cards. So basically he could have stayed away and won at a canter .How different things would have turned out.
    Oh well, maybe these things are meant to happen, very sad though.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Yeah, he has a few fights over 160. That last fight was for Eubank's WBO SMW title.

    The cuffs were off him at that weight. He was a gaunt 160. Remember all Eubank's roaring about "incredibly strong" and "wanting him tested"? No bad reflection on Eubank that, it was just an incredible moment, he was a bit overwhelmed. Watson might just have been something special at the weight. But we'll never know.

    He owned Benn.

    And why is that fight not on YouTube? You search for Watson on YouTube all you get is the admittedly impressive doc's about his "struggle". Watson was more than a victim of bad luck and injury. He was a cracking fighter and deserves a bit more IMO.