Who are the most important innovators?

Im gonna list Dempsey as one. He brought a very aggressive bob n weave front foot style with a big left hook which as far as I know at that time didn't really exist to the extent Dempsey had.

 

Good call.

 

Bob Fitzsimmons apparently invented the left hook to the body. The most important innovators are probably unknown. Lost in history. The guys behind the scenes that were able to teach the guys we remember a thing or two here and there that was rather unknown or innovative. Maybe it was some guy that atgs like Dempsey, Jeffries, Fitz, Johnson, etc fought in an unreported fight that really opened there eyes to a certain tactic, strategy, or skill that they hadn't run into before but were able to adopt.

 

Jack Broughton for being the first man to " codify " a set of rules for bare knuckle fighting.

Daniel Mendoza for being the first so called scientific boxer.

Jim Corbett for being the first so called modern heavyweight " boxer " under the Marquis of Queensbury rules..

Jack Johnson for breaking the colour ban.

Joe Gans for being the first so called " master boxer ".

Jack Dempsey for being the first heavyweight swarmer who was a knock out artist and for being involved in the first million dollar gate.

Sugar Ray Robinson for simply raising the bar on what a great fighter was and could do.

Ali for being the first big man who fought like a welterweight in style.

Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko for being the first giant sized heavyweights who could really fight and who held the crown for long periods of time..

Floyd Mayweather for being the richest fighter in history and for fine tuning the method of fighting " the right guy ".

Cheers All.

 

The first scientific boxer comes about every 20 years or so.

 

Boxing was never quite the same after Dempsey got through with Willard....

 

Well, Figg clearly. He started it all. Outside of him, I think it's beyond the pale to be honest:

Daniel The Jew Mendoza.

Who transcends boxing? Who in our history was so important all of sports had to stop and take note? Honor of The Jew.

Daniel invented ticketing for the right to witness a sporting event. Prior to him sports made money off betting and concessions. All of sports can thank The Jew.

Daniel Mendoza was the first to use the media to boost his profile. Prior to him athletes went around touring themselves to promote themselves and their trade. All of sports can thank The Jew twice.

Daniel Mendoza was the innovator who brought defense to boxing, slipping punches, side stepping, pivoting, and generally approaching boxing with a hit and don't be hit attitude. Boxing can thank The Jew big time.

Let me say that more clearly. Daniel The Jew Mendoza invented hit and don't be hit back boxing....or what we today call a boxer when explaining a boxer vs puncher scenario.

Put it all together and do you have a Jack Johnson without The Jew? How about Ali? Floyd? Ok now less obvious ones, would Dempsey be Dempsey without bob and weave? Would Marciano be possible without making himself smaller? Mike? Fitzs? I mean really let your mind go with it. Jew, jew, jew all The Jew. Not even Foreman or Wilder are possible without Danny first changing what it means to box. Mendoza made boxing look like boxing looks presently. He set it all into motion. Modern boxing can thank The Jew.

Not to mention Daniel single handedly started the Black Boxing Community in America. He sold off hate and defense. The public hates him and he fights to avoid not cause damage. He is where the "Black American Style" comes from. No Ward without Jew. No Money without Jew. No Robinson without The Jew, no Armstrong, nada. Hell, we ain't even got our first champ without The Jew to train him or on the flip of that our funny little bitches like Broner. American Boxing can thank The Jew.

Made ticketing, made promotion, made boxing. I've no issue with other's entries but in my mind it is clear. The single most important individual since Figg is not Broughton or Sullivan, it's Danny. Most of what Jack and John did is lost to time, the rules are changed. Mendoza School is still active and unchanged, that's a ****in' impact that is.

When people say things like " It's called boxing, it's about not getting hit" they honor The Jew and The Jew alone with naming his style after the sport itself and conflating it with the point of the sport. That's some ****in' impact too.

Everytime you pay to view. Everytime you see an interview, everytime you see a points fighter. One man, one source, one training lineage, Mendoza.


Ima gonna haveta do a Jew thread now. Gimme some time and I'll put the tale together for yas. Dude should be legend.

 

I personally believe Mike Gibbons was the most important and influential figure in boxing style and technique of the first half of the 20th century (at least). The way he refined technique and spread his style and teaching is still being (unknown to most) being felt today. He elevated the sport. You can find traces of his influence directly or indirectly all over the country throughout the 20th century in guys like Pep, Dupas, Pastrano, Docusen, Freddie Little, Harry Kid Matthews, Lee Savold, Gene Tunney, Billy Petrolle, and on and on even down to guys like Toney and Mayweather today and that speaks nothing of the numerous men he had a direct influence on during his career such as Mike ODowd, Jock Malone, Tommy Gibbons, Clay Turner, Billy Miske, and countless others.

 

Wouldn't Petrolle and Mathews owe more to Jack Hurley as regards their styles?

 

Hurley was a student of Gibbons. I thought you read John Ochs book(s)? In fact there is a great film of Matthews-Bob Murphy with W. C. Heinz doing commentary where he breaks down Matthews' use of the St. Paul style.

 

Of the 3 volumes which one covers Gibbons?

 

Dutch Sam allegedly invented the uppercut.

 

The first.

 

Thanku