Who are the Textbook boxers?

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    the guy is briliant and knows the game inside out. check out his tutorials in the ring magazine every month; he's a hell of a teacher and teaches a new punch or technique every month. might surprise you
     
  2. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Shout out to Rafa Marquez as well.
     
  3. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Offensively I agree wholeheartedly, but defensively he is too much of a liability IMO.
     
  4. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    Abbas, yaar! I've been loving the vids on your youtube channel.

    Now the best 'textbook' boxers or 'pure boxers' for technique, imo are as follows:

    (no order)


    More Recent Boxers:

    > JMM
    > B-Hop
    > Kessler
    > Calderon
    > Rafa Marquez
    > Jorge Linares looks pretty solid.
    > the reinvented Barrera

    > Vernon Forrest [to a certain extent] (esp. jab, right-hand -- beautifully simple yet clinically effective execution).

    > Winky!! (The fact that a guy with such a lack of apparent knockout power was for a long time the most feared man in boxing should speak volumes.. and this is not a hellish pressure fighter like Margarito -- the other long-time most feared man -- but rather a defensive, slickster with a beautiful jab & the ability to create some beautiful angles!)

    > I always felt MORALES was underrated... he was the most versatile of the recent mexican trio of great warriors... and really could sustain a well-rounded attack. (i guess what I'm saying is, just because you can also bang.. doesn't mean you are by proxy a shitty pure boxer)

    From the past.. there are loads... many will be better educated than I in terms of old boxers. However, some names that deffo very quickly off the top of my head that MUST be mentioned are ['pure boxers' -- neither willie pep nor sweetpea were 'textbook']:

    -Sweetpea
    -Finito LOPEZ!!!!!! (Marquez is a lot like him in many respects)
    -Willie Pep
    -Archie Moore
    -SRR??


    Also, most of the best 'textbook boxers' don't actually have GREAT defense!!
    There is also a distinct difference between being a 'textbook' boxer & a 'pure boxer'. Sweetpea didn't have a textbook style... though he had great technique... while a great PURE boxer.. let's face it, that wasn't textbook!

    Great defense is another skillset imo ...which we should take as separate from boxing technique (even if that consideration is very offense/technique-centric)
     
  5. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    ricardo lopez is the second most techincally gifted boxer i've ever seen, behind robinson. not the best, but technically he did EVERYTHING brilliantly
     
  6. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    :).

    so if you have Finito Lopez behind SRR as the best technically? what would the rest of your t5 be.


    I always hear sweetpea1, willie pep 2nd.

    iduno, sweetpea was ofcourse breathtakingly good.. however, sometimes, it DOES seem to me that Pernell does get a little too much love which makes objectivity fall to pieces in a discussion whereby anyone not named sweetpea must be inferior to him, technically.

    Again, though.. i've always viewed the GREAT defenses a being distinctly separate abilities and of a diff. skillset (equally important but definitely separate!).
     
  7. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    also, as I haven't seen more than 5 SRR fights... i just felt a little uneasy about jumping the gun and calling him a pure boxer only to get slapped with something I haven't seen before!

    y'all can open up that can of worms, though... will be good to read
     
  8. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    cotto is a very basic textbook boxer, always has been....PBF is a masterclass as is BHOP JMM and Wlad...pavlik and JT both are very basic texbook guys as well
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins.

    He's a walking textbook. I mean you talk about chin tucked at all times. Having his feet in proper position at all times and never being off balanced, that's Hopkins.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nither Whitaker nor Pep can in any way be described as "textbook", though there fundamentals are sounder than Roy Jones, say.
     
  11. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Right on.

    Hopkins always, always has his chin in mind, he always presents the top of his head rather than his jaw, even when he has his man pinned to the ropes and is throwing leather he is thinking about what is doing defencively.

    Your second point is bang on too. He's always on balance. He punches properly at all distances. A real technician.
     
  13. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Kessler and Luevano are as textbook as they come.

    I don't completely agree on Hopkins. He's textbook in some respects, but he has his unorthodox bits as well.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree, although he lacks awareness to make proper adjustments (especially defensively) and also has a slight balance issue (needs to get reset and sometimes gets caught out because of that - his balance isn't fluid and his adjustments take longer than they should).
     
  15. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    yes sorry i was thinking of "pure boxers"

    which they were.. esp Sweetpea.


    Not text-book, though! better make that clear in the post.

    it's problematic due to semantics.