Who are the Top 15 Latin American Fighters in History?.

Last tiem I checked I had Arguello at 26 and Ortiz at 28. My list has changed drastically now, though I feel they still both live in the same bracket, I'm really gonna' try and get my top 50 done soon, just to stop the noises in my head

Ortiz will probably fit better into the 30-35 bracket now I think of it. I think that's why we haven't seen Manassa for a while, his top 100 was insane and his criteria dense and well thought out. Must've sent him mad :rofl

 

Thats fair enough rankings IMO.

 

1. Roberto Duran
2. Salvador Sanchez
3. Wilfred Benitez
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Kid Gavilan
7. Alexis Arguello
8. Wilfredo Gomez
9. Marco Antonio Barrera
10. Erik Morales

 

BASICALLY EVERYTHING MAYWEATHER DOESN'T DO!:viking

 

BUT W/ AGE AND SEEING MORE FIGHTS AND ACTUALLY GOING TO THE FIGHTS INSTEAD OF WATCHING YOUTUBE, YOU SEE AND LEARN THE NUANCES OF THESE FIGHTERS. sOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE LIVED THRU THE TIME OF A FIGHTER TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT TO THE TIME HE WAS IN. HOW CAN ANYONE RESPECT SOMEONES OPINION WHEN THAT PERSON HASN'T EVEN SEEN THE CAREERS OF THE FIGHTERS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT OR BEEN IN TO THEIR FIGHTS OR SEEN THEM TRAIN, ETC. NOTHING IS WORSE THAN SOMEONE YOUNG LIKE SAY 25 AND UNDER TELLING POSTERS WHO'VE LIVED THRU IT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ****, WHEN ALL THEIR KNOWLEDGE IS SECOND HAND OFF OF BOXREC OR YOU TUBE OR WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID. that IS WHAT IS really PRETENTIOUS:rasta

 

So, you have lived through the careers of all the fighters you talk about, I guess?

 

As long as someone has watched the fighters\fights, or done their research if it's an old timer with little to no footage, then anyone should be allowed their opinion.Doesn't mean it will be a worthy opinion, but that's somthing t judge on a person by person basis imo.

 

Well, the thread stated Latin American but I guess if everyone else is doing an all Latino list, I'll give it a go:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Jose Napoles
4. Carlos Ortiz
5. Eder Jofre
6. Luis Rodriguez
7. Kid Gavilan
8. Alexis Arguello
9. Vicente Saldivar
10. Ruben Olivares
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Manuel Ortiz
13. Kid Chocolate
14. Nicolino Locche
15. Salvador Sanchez
16. Wilfredo Gomez
17. Miguel Canto
18. Pascual Perez
19. Carlos Zarate
20. Cocoa Kid
21. Panama Al Brown
22. Ismael Laguna
23. Wilfred Benitez
24. Eusebio Pedroza
25. Ernesto Marcel
26. Oscar De La Hoya
27. Ricardo Lopez
28. Jose Basora
29. Pedro Montanez
30. Baby Arizmendi

Narrowly missing the cut: Felix Trinidad, Kid Azteca, Victor Galindez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, etc. etc.

 

deal:good:good Now that might be the best "TELL EM LIKE IT IS POST" that i have ever seen on ESB You were Spot ON:good I respect the enthusiasm of many of the younger posters on the classic forum and most are very knowledgeable on this forum. However it ****ing irks me sometimes when they are telling me about certain fighters that I followed and know about before some of them were born or ever watched a fight. If you wanna tell me about Pascual Perez since youve seen footage of them fine but dont try and school me on any of the fighters from the late 70s 80s 90s etc(In fact i learned about the oldtimers too when i was young i just didnt have the benefit of the internet back then had to rely on footage from Jim Jacobs or Espn or documentries) Now if you wanna debate me on current fighters fine your opinion counts the same. But being a die hard fan when these guys were fighting you get a feel for the game,somethin you havent experienced.

Just picture the 2030and some 20 year old kid is trying to school you about Pac,Mayweather,Delahoya,Klitchkos,Barreras moreless then you will know what we are talking about.

 

You have to be open minded Anarci. Just because someone is young doesn't mean tey don'thave a clue and doesn't mean you're always right.

Cn you see what I mean? By your means of logic none of us should discuss Langford as we weren't there. I just don't see the difference between reading old magazines/newspaper articles and watching old fights to get a perspective and mixing in the perspective of someone who was actually there (i.e you :good) and have a discusion about it.

What I'm asking is, if anyone tries to pass comment are you always going to use 'you weren't there' as a means of shunning their opinion? If so, a bit harsh mate.

I CAN see where you're coming from; just don't think it's night and day as you seem to think it is :good

 

nono Not a good list in my opinion, however im sure you will say the same about mine as ares are very different. So i guess you think Cocoa kid,Marcel, and quite a few of the other guys have better resumes than a 5 division champ with extraordinary skills like Delahoya huh?. I dont know sweet pea if i dont know you were so young i would think you are a 80year old geezer that thought all fighters today are tomato cans. I mean you must really think todays fighters are inferior. My pops is 60 years old and been a hard core fan since Floyd Patterson,Tiger,Carlos Ortiz were barely coming on the scene and he is alot more complimentry of todays fighter and realist when it comes to comparing greats from the past to current elite fighters.

Also the thread said it was okay to list latino fighters from the US since the are Latinos who live in America.

 

I must say Cocoa Kid has a pretty tremendous resume.

 

Left em out because they are from the US, not because they weren't good enough to make the list.

Marcel was an outstanding fighter, I'm happy with his placement, even though i can see the argument for having Sal higher.

 

1. Roberto Duran
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Kid Gavilan
4. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
5. Eder Jofre
6. Alexis Arguello
7. Jose Napoles
8. Salvador Sanchez
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Carlos Ortiz
11. Wilfredo Gomez
12. Wilfred Benitez
13. Ruben Olivares
14. Vicente Saldivar
15. Carlos Zarate

Like most lists this one changes daily.

 

Yey i see your point i mean i respect a young fans opinion , i just agreed with Morlocks post so much i thought i just added some more to it. As far as being a historian hey i wasnt around back in the old days either but i consider myself knowledgeable on old timers, but ive know old timers that were in the boxing game and were around back in the Lamotta,Robinson, Joe louis days and i always soak up as much as i can from them. But na im not gonna shun no ones opinion as long as they dont come of in a Condescending tone.