Who are today's hometown champ's?

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    No, three out of eight fights at world title level, as I said. That's enough to remove him far from consideration for this subject compared to what other current world champions have done.

    Seriously, basically everybody is based in one geographical location early on in their career, if not their own country then one where they have decided to base themselves. There's many reasons why that's both sensible and unavoidable. I'm not really sure what you're looking for.
     
  2. tolindoy

    tolindoy UBESTRIDTE MESTER Full Member

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    :lol::rofl:good
     
  3. dbouziane

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    well i think he is never gonna fight again, but joe mesi was a huge hit in buffalo. the third sports franchise in buffalo was mesi for a while

    i suppose for a while vegas was oscars adopted hometown. they loved him there
     
  4. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Quick note , what fighters sometimes want they dont always get , who cares what fights Abraham has been persuing the fact is he didnt get them , the guy has fought twice in 30 fights outside Germany !!!!! :
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  5. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Kessler could not turn down the Calzaghe fight as it was the biggest opportunity of his career .

    Mundine in Australia is hardly Calzaghe in Wales where ever they fight/fought Kessler wins that fight 10 times out of 10 .

    And Danilo Hausler in Germany where Kessler has a big following anyway is hardly taking a risk .

    Kessler deserves credit for Calzaghe in Wales that is in deniable , but as a ratio 4 fights from 41 pro bouts outside Denmark is pretty solid facts , i suggest you read the title of the thread again as Kessler is hardly well travelled now is he !!!!! :lol::lol::lol:
     
  6. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Read the above two posts !!!!!!
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    We comparing with other fighters though. If you compare Kessler to other champions around the same age then, yes, he actually is fairly well travelled.

    At Super middleweight:

    Bute: Not fought outside Canada at world title level. Fought in the US early in his career (as did Kessler).

    Froch: Two years older than Kessler, only fought outside the UK once.

    Taylor: Yet to fight outside his home country. Pulled out of a scheduled middleweight eliminator against Howard Eastman after losing the pursebid.

    Abraham: One fight in the US.

    At other weights:

    Pavlik: Yet to fight outside his own country, despite most of the contenders in the division being European-based.

    Dawson: Popped up on the undercard of Calzaghe/Lacy, proving he does have a passport, but hasn't used it since and dumped his title when losing the pursebid against Diaconu.

    Williams: Every single fight in the US.
     
  8. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Abraham & Pavlik are on my list .

    So what are you getting at that i should of included all of the above instead of Kessler , im sorry facts speak for them selves and Kessler has a major incentive to fight world title fights outside Denmark , more money , America is the home of PPV which means more money , which means an incentive .
     
  9. dbouziane

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    well that's a very polite way to describe them :D
     
  10. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    The problem with this subject is that it is all based on perceptions. And a lot of time people's perceptions are biased, inaccuarate or just plain wrong.

    How many times have we heard Glen Johnson called 'Road Warrior' and someone comment that Joe Calzaghe was scared to fight outside Wales? Yet, if anyone actually checks, Johnson has fought a higher percentage of his professional fights in his adopted home state of Florida than Calzaghe has fought in Wales. Statistics, huh.

    What are we talking about when we say 'hometown fight'? Distance of travel? Familiarity of surroundings? Proportion of support in the crowd? Merely crossing a border?

    If a fighter from New York fights in LA, is that a home fight? If he fights in Montreal, is that an away from home fight? When Manny Pacquiao fights in Las Vegas for the 6th consecutive time (his 17th fight in the US in total) is that a 'hometown' fight for him? Are Arthur Abraham or Wladimir Klitschko at home when they fight in Germany? Who was at home when Floyd Mayweather fought Ricky Hatton in Vegas with the vast majority of the support going for Hatton? Who was at home when Steve Cunningham and his lack of fanbase fought Tomas Adamek and the vocal backing of a legion of Poles in New Jersey? People who criticise Joe Calzaghe as a 'hometown fighter' would doubtless include his British title fight against Mark Delaney as an example (it happened in the UK right?), yet Calzaghe would say that later trips to the US were nowhere near as intimidating as the atmosphere on that night with a 3000 strong capacity crowd baying for his blood and supporting the local fighter Delaney.
     
  11. clyde

    clyde Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A few notes about Bute:

    Of his 24 fights he's only fought outside Quebec 4 times. One of those fights was the McCrary bout which was held in his REAL hometown of Galati in Romania. The other 3 were early in his career. But he's on a run of having his last 12 fights in Montreal by my count.
     
  12. mgdb26

    mgdb26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post. Yeah someone said Jermain Taylor, unless it's a fight in Little Rock, or Memphis (since it's only 2 hours from Little Rock) you can't really call it a home fight for him. When he fought Pavlik the first time in Atlantic City, you can't say that was a home fight for Taylor, the entire crowd was rooting for Pavlik.
     
  13. AndrewFFC

    AndrewFFC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why is the list mainly Europeans, Americans are the worst for not going abroad.
     
  14. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most Americans. ***** all you like about European fighters staying at home but when they are filling out arenas and stadiums then who cares? Americans are the ones who are shy of the road- give me your 'HBO' arguement all you like but plenty of European fights happen in our early hours to accomodate American TV:good.
     
  15. clyde

    clyde Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough, but America is so big and diverse that you don't have to go outside the country to lose any hometown feel.

    .....just ask Nate Campbell in a few days.

    In general though, I think your point has some validity.