Who are we to believe? Ellerbe/Schaefer or Arum/Greenburg

The term "negotiation" is getting thrown around rather loosely.

I don't know about you all, but I don't consider "phone tag" to be negotiations. Especially when it involves a contract that is easily going to be worth over $100 million.

You are going to negotiate a fight contract worth over $100 million without directly talking with the other party? Yea, and I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you all too. I ask any of you, and be honest: Would you let the negotiation of a $100+ million contract happen without talking directly with the other party or without having your team directly involved in discussions?

I am sorry, but it all seems a little far-fetched. Especially since no final proposal has been revealed to the public, nor have any of the supposedly agreed upon points in the proposal been made public.

Like I said: Both sides are not telling the entire truth.

 

This is why you're still in denial. TP said they agreed on all the major points. But instead of disputing that the terms were agreed upon, which is expected they completely denied that negotiations ever took place.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

Haha, logical next step for yall is to redefine the meaning of "Negotiations" right?

 

Not redefining anything. It is a legitimate question and point. What constitutes a real "negotiation?" I certainly do not consider passing phone messages to each other through a 3rd party as real negotiation. That is my opinion.

How do you negotiate a contract worth over $100 million through a game of phone tag? How do you negotiate a $100+ million contract WITHOUT talking to the other party involved in the contract? I am just being realistic.... those kind of deals do not get made without talking directly with everybody involved.

Sorry, but until more details emerge about these phone conversations, I really do not believe any of the parties involved as they all have a vested interest to lie.

They are all lying, not telling the whole truth, exaggerating, whatever you want to call it as far as I am concerned.

 

Seriously? Are you full of failure or what? Conveniently forget the first negotiations? Forgotten about the mediator already? Forgotton about all the mud slinging and GBP press releases?

This is why they went to the boss, the boss being Greenburg to handle the negotiations so that it doesn't end up like before.

But you don't care, because you're more concerned with covering GBP's ass by bending the definitions of "Negotiations" to what suits you.

 

What do the first negotiations have to do with now? Nothing. It is a non-point. "We're in now now. What you see happening now, is actually happening, right now." "What happened to then?" "You just missed it." "When?" "Just now..."

Again, I ask you a simple question: Would you let a contract worth over $100 million be negotiated without talking directly with the other party? Would you let a $100 million contract be negotiated without having your team involved in the process?

Obviously what I constitute as a legitimate negotiation differs from yours. I have never considered, and will never consider, phone messages as a negotiation. They are just that, phone messages. If you want to negotiate, you either make a conference call or setup a meeting and talk DIRECTLY with the other party.

Sorry, I let logic and reason dictate my thoughts on this matter. Logic and reason tell me both sides are lying, and the truth is somewhere in between.

 

Pretty much how I feel...**** them both...Both camps acting like some bitches!:verysad

 

You hit it right on the head...Thats why I honestly feel that they both could have pushed a little more harder...Its blind fans who cant see this.

Good post!:good

 

Greenburg, who made Haymon in the world of boxing, could easily snuff him and GBP out, since both are completely reliant on HBO's good graces.

As for this whole thing, I'll side with Greenburg. He is the most impartial of the bunch, his network wants the fight because they will make money, and since he has a board of directors to answer to he has to be on the level.

 

They're negotiating thru Ross because obviously they couldn't agree on **** the first time negotiating directly. This is why mediators and negotiators exist. atsch

WTF does the first negotiations have to to do with now... cmon man stop playing stupid. I know you're smarter than that, and playing kid games give it a rest.

 

Again: Would you let a 3rd party negotiate the terms of a contract worth over $100 million on your behalf? If you say yes, I say bull****.

All we know for certain is that messages were being passed back and forth via phone. That is the ONLY fact we have.

Again, I ask you: Do you consider "phone messages" as a legitimate negotiation? If you do, we will have to agree to disagree because I never consider that kind of communication to be a negotiation.

If I'm not talking directly with the other party, there is practically no chance at a deal with me. That is how I operate, and that is how a lot of other people operate as well.

If you want to talk about kid's games, here is one for you: People actually believing a deal of that magnitude can be made without the parties involved directly communicating. Kid's games: Yea, we're negotiating a contract worth over $100 million without actually talking to the other party.

 

I would have to believe both sides. I believe Arum had contact with Greenberg and I believe Greenberg talked to Haymon. However, I don't think there were any official negotiations. I'm not sure why Ellerbe and Schaefer would lie. Ellberbe seems to contend that Mayweather simply wasn't interested in fighting this year and wasn't entertaining any offers. If you're going to lie, why would you say that? It's not like that makes Mayweather look any better.

 

So now phones are not valid forms of communication?

 

Again, I specifically mentioned conference calling as a legitimate way to negotiate.

Playing "phone tag" like they were does not constitute as a valid form of communication for an official negotiation. If I am not talking to you and hearing your thoughts and ideas about the deal directly, I am not really interested. Do you like getting information from somebody else through another party? I sure as hell don't, and a lot of times the message and meaning can be distorted as well.

There are many uses for phones, and not all of them involve "direct communication." Passing along messages is not a valid form of negotiation in my opinion.

At best, you can say they were having some informal talks about a potential fight. I don't see how anybody can say it was an official negotiation when they didn't even have a single conference call or meeting to discuss anything.

 

What I am in denial of exactly?