Who are your top 10 H2H HW’s?

No Foreman or Frazier? Bowe above them both ?

 

Totally agreed grey. I pointed out in the other Foreman thread that Fury has a major stylistic error of throwing sloppy 1-2s and backing off in a straight line (hands down) afterwards. This same sequence has gotten him knocked down no less than three times, and tagged many more. I personally believe Klitschko wanted the rematch so bad because he noticed this upon replay, and he was going to aim for huge left hooks.

Also, as someone who is actually from old Albion, Fury was always considered a massive, awkward lump every since the McDermott bouts and the Klitschko bout was widely derided as terrible. Fury being considered a 'master boxer' is a very recent invention that was never held for most of the time he was actually competing. His resume is also going to age terribly, too.

 

1. Ali
2. Lewis
3. Usyk
4. Holmes
5. Louis
6. Wlad
7. Tyson
8. Holyfield
9. Frazier
10. Bowe

 

What if Ali wasn't allowed to hold Frazier so much in the rematch? What if Jack Johnson wasn't allowed to hold and maul his opponents? As you can see, Wlad wasn't the only one who got away with this, so it's safe to assume, he might have gotten away with this in the hypothetical as well.

 

Yeah. People will say 'Fury didn't train' or whatever but a supposed 'elite' boxer should never be exposed and knocked down like that by a total novice even if he was high on heroin or missing a ****ing arm. Like I said, Fury has massive stylistic deficiencies which would be majorly exploited by elite fighters (as they already have been by non-elite fighters).

 

H2H is the only grading that matters...

Louis
Ali
Tyson
Foreman
LL
Holmes
Bowe
Holyfield
Liston
JJW
Frazier

Marciano
Dempsey

something like that, (some of them could arguably beat one another and be placed one above the other), who knows

there could be a few others slotted in here or there i.e. the S-HW Klits, Norton, Tunney, Baer,
guys like Johnson, Jeffries, Jennette, McVey, Langford all belong to that Prizefighter Era, which were a different boxer/fighter really and they maybe not guite fit in so well from eitherside of the 1930s onward...

List are hard because they can NEVER be 100% accurate, at best a 'general consensus' and even then someone deserving can be omitted or overlooked.

but H2H, as far as I'm concerned, is the only way to 'try' and pair fighters against one another and by that attempt to make lists.

 

Fair response that could apply to other fighters as well it would be fair to mention that as balance.

But IMO it's relevant because Wlad had a relatively suspect chin and didn't like to trade. As we know Ali couldn't hold Frazier as much in the 3rd fight as the 2nd because of the ref and it made a difference.

 

The truth is if boxing referees did things different and allowed or didn't allow certain things then the results of a lot of fights in history could have been different but we will never really know because it didn't happen.

 

Louis
Lewis
Ali
Liston
Frazier
Holmes
Foreman
Tyson
Holyfield
Usyk

 

Doesn't matter fighters in the past held even more then Wlad plus fighters like Ali. Its a part of the game that he has learned to use well to his advantage.

 

Yes I don't rank either particularly highly

 

Fair enough if you don't think it matters much then not much more can be said on that.

 

In chronological order heres a top 10.


Wills
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Liston
Ali
Norton
Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko

 

Interesting top 10.