who are your top five welterweights now?

Whatever you two are smoking. i want some. :smoke

Anyway mine is this:

1) Pac

... a huge gap in between to be honest.

2) Mosley
3) Floyd
4) Clottey - hard to name anybody else, Cotto and PW moved up. And however i want it - it's hard to put berto in top 5.
5) Berto

 

Mosley
Pac
Mayweather
Berto
Cotto

 

Extremely biased. Looks more like your personal favorites list. But it's OK.

 

Mosley
Floyd
Pac
Berto
Margarito

 

Mosley
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Berto
Cotto

 

Mosely - demolished the man.
Pac - 2 convincing wins vs top 5 ww's.
Clottey - say what you want, has fought the best and has only has one undisputed loss.
Berto - solid competition.
Mayweather - hasn't fought a ww since 2007 (you could even argue 2006).
Cotto - can't imagine he's the same.

 

Margarito was never THE MAN at WW. And neither was Cotto, and neither is Mosley now.

Floyd is the last guy to be the man at WW but he lost that when he went into retirement.

Right now that spot is vacant. Pac vs the winner of Mosley/Mayweather will determine that.

 

Pac
Mosley
Mayweather
Cotto
Berto

This is pretty much going to be based on past 2 fights and the level of competition those fights were fought at.

Pac is on top because his last two were against Cotto and Clottey...both very live underdogs and both VERY definitive wins.

Mosley beat the **** out of the man, but lost to Cotto prior to that, but having smashed his conquerer's conquerer puts him in the #2 spot.

Mayweather get's the 3rd spot for putting on a shutout against a technical mastermind...but let's ****ing face facts here. JMM isn't a credible WW opponent. He's a great opponent for ANYONE, but when the guy is 2 divisions out of depth, then how serious can you take this fight? Having said that, he's also had some prior credentials before his retirement regardless of how you want to spin it. He's undefeated at WW against some solid competition. He put on clinics against Judah, Baldomir and Hatton. That's a better resume than Mosley if you want to be serious about it. But considering his last two fights. JMM and Hatton...just don't quite equate anything near Margarito, let alone taking on Cotto.

Cotto can rest easy saying that he fought EVERYONE. And his record will be his record. He lost to Pac in what can be argued as Pac's hardest fight at 147 thus far...And beat Clottey with a ****ed up eyegash...Considering his 1-1 and his competition. He get's number 4.

How in the **** Berto ranks ahead of Cotto is beyond me...who the **** has he fought to be that high? Collazo? ****in' Stevey 2lbs? GTFOH with that ****. And then incorporating Clottey in this list after that **** of a loss...his only real wins at WW is Judah and Corrales...really? What the ****? :huh

If you want to take out Cotto for his upcoming debut at 154, then I'd got it like this.

Pac
Mosley
Mayweather
Berto
Collazo/Clottey

I'm having a difficulty really placing Clottey on that list because he's 0-2. You can argue that he won one of them, but lost the other in a sad display of grand scale boxing. Collazo can somewhat say the same...some can argue that he beat Berto, and at least he can say he actually ****ing won a fight prior to that. As much as you want to **** on Russell Jordan's record...he made Shawn Porter look like ****...Collazo put him to sleep. In reality though...Russell Jordan isn't Cotto or Pac plain and simple. So it's a tie. Maybe with Clottey edging it out.

 

do you all seriously rate Berto over Cotto???

 

no way berto should be ranked ahead of cotto unless its because cotto is moving out of the WW division.

 

I know, I dont care if pac KOs mayweather, berto, williams, and pavlik. Mosley beat the #1 guy(margarito) and has the Champonship belt. And floyds linearlity doesnt mean anything since he gave it away when he retired. If he had stayed retired but came back in 2015, I would not discredit whatever champ we have at the time and say he is "linear" so hes back at #1.

 

Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Andre Berto
Miguel Cotto (until he moves up)

 

1. Pac
2. Mosley
3. Cotto
4. Mayweather
5. Clottey

 

1. Mosley
2. Pac
3. Floyd
4. Cotto
5. Berto

 

Berto is no where near top 5, he got a lucky break with the Mosley fight collapsing.

Margarito, Clottey,Cotto are all far more deserving of #5 than Berto.