Right, and I feel like my "ayfkm" is a legitimate viewpoint (and thorough enough to not really beg elaboration upon) and pretty apt response to such a question.
Canelo that fought Hatton, Rhodes, Mosley was a prospect. Tyson around the same age was one of the most dominant fighters, ever. Nothing to debate here.
I'm all with you on canelo etc ...he sees $$$ & **** integrity , but some of mikes early fights were obvious marvis frazier, why was that even thought of of? I like Tyson , did a huge amount for the sport plus bing a character. but his management wer there to make it an easy path as possible ...no ones saying he wasn't a talent but some people were swerved. Obviously no where in the same league of deception as Oscar etc....imagine that...Oscar is more of a scumbag than Don Shithouse King....I stilll feeel we were robbed of seeeing Witherspoons potential because of king & many more!
This is a good point. Tyson accomplished more then Nelo at same age but fought no one near Mayweather level!
a) just because there didn't happen to be a Mayweather level p4p boxer campaigning at HW during Mike's prime doesn't somehow prove he wasn't clearly better than Canelo. He can't help what is or isn't available to him in his era. b) I don't think you can argue that Canelo won a single clear indisputable round from Mayweather. When did Tyson ever get arguably shut out in his twenties? (or hell, thirties? Even against Lennox he bagged at least one consensus round)
Tyson but canelo was pretty good at that age too though obviously still developing where as tyson was about as good as he ever got
nah not saying Nelo is better. Saying Tyson clearly is superior to Nelo at least early in his career. But also saying Tyson looking god level in comparison at such an early age... but looking back on his comp it was not Mayweather level. Canelo happened to have an atg adversary in Mayweather at 23 old. If Tyson have fought Holyfield or Lewis Competition earlier how would he have looked / faired? Who’s to say? But I think It’s interesting question & worth consideration.
There are very few people historically that are on Floyd's skill level. Plus, Canelo wasn't 21 when he fought Mayweather and didn't even fight a peak Mayweather, Floyd was post prime and 5 divisions higher than his original division. On top of this, Canelo lost, so it's a moot point. A better comparison would be at age 23 (Canelo had 2 HOF'ers on his resume Floyd and Shane. He was 1-1) Tyson at 22-23 also had 2 HOF'ers on his resume (Holmes and Spinks. He was 2-0). Tyson beat his undefeated future HOF'er in 90 seconds. Canelo lost. Tyson at 21 was the better boxer. Tyson at 22 was the better boxer. Tyson at 23 was the better boxer.
Tyson was a far better body puncher than Canelo was at that stage, Canelo is a very good body puncher now but Mike was amazing going to the body in his early fights and went to the body more consistently than most fighters.