Who at or below 154 could outpoint Hearns?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    There are some that could stop him (Leonard did at 147), but how many could have won a decision over the Hearns that knocked out Duran in 2? He seems like one of the hardests fighters to outpoint. Without one or more 10 8 rounds, it's hard to imagine.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Koichi Wajima!
     
  3. radianttwilight

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    I can't think of anybody. They'd need knockdowns to do it.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Charley Burley has a good chance. Not much in the power, and Charley, too, has freakish reach. I'd guess that Charley would be quicker in terms of handspeed. Fact is though, this is far more likely to end in a KO.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    What do you think of Napoles? He's got a great chin, what if he somehow doesn't get cut?
     
  6. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    I think it's almost impossible to outpoint Hearns even beyond 154lbs. Barkley II aside, the fighters that beat Hearns stopped him. I think to beat a peak Hearns you have to stop him. To stop him you have to put your head and body in the firing line leaving a very real possibility that Hearns would stop you first. Hearns was not only a phyiscal freak of nature he was a stylistic freak as well. A well schooled, very technical boxer with a thudding jab and nuclear powered right cross/left hook behind it. Very difficult to beat which is why what Leonard did in 1981 is all the more remarkable.
     
  7. McGrain

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    The problem is Hearns has pretty good feet, and an excellent jab (i'm assuming he'd be utilising it to its full potential for the purposes of this discussion). How does Napoles bring pressure through the jab, past these other punches and score enough points to get a decision?

    I just don't see him winning enough rounds.
     
  8. McGrain

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    How about Jack Britton? Unknockoutable, and accustomed to winning fights on points, he's slippery, elusive boxer.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    Sugar Ray Robinson could
     
  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Well put bro..
    I agree 100% with everything you said.
     
  11. janitor

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    Mikey Walker might be a good choice.

    He wouldnt be daunted by Hearns power and might be strong enough to impose his fight plan upon him.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    But, I dont see how walker wouldget beyond hearns jab. walker loved to stick his chin out and really didnt carry a high gaurd or posess top head movement, were talking outpoint here, and I see hearns jab landing too much on walker.
     
  13. McGrain

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    As much as I love Walker, I think Hearns with a proper boxing plan would be to much for him over 15 rounds.

    Again, though, there is every chance that Mickey could find a way to stop Hearns.
     
  14. Lobotomy

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    Aside from Robby and Burley, Mike Gibbons and Harry Greb might have a good shot. (According to boxwreck, Greb weighed 150 when he secured a newspaper decision over Miske in 1918.)

    Particularly in the case of Burley, we've all enjoyed the visual of how he could handle a much taller and larger quality opponent easily in the rematch with Smith. Of course Hearns is no Billy Smith, but I expect that Burley would make Tommy pay for how he kept his left by his hip with that popping right cross over the top. Charley was also very good at coming in underneath, then getting out ahead of any counters. In toe to toe exchanges, he may well have outscored Hearns between Tommy's longer arms.

    Hearns was certainly no more formidable than some of the top heavyweights Greb was able to get the best of. If Harry was able to decision Tunney with one good eye, he certainly could have done it to Tommy with the two good eyes and incredible level of experience he already enjoyed at 150. (Greb was already 115-10 according to boxwreck when he first met Miske at age 24.)

    Walker would take Tommy out. But when I look at Loughran/Walker, I just can't see the Toy Bulldog decisioning Hearns. Thomas simply wouldn't be able to stand up to enough punches from Mickey to trail on points. For him, that would be like losing a decision to Cuevas. (Only Randy Shields could manage that extremely bizarre achivement over 15 rounds!)
     
  15. Lobotomy

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    Well, that goes without saying.