Who beat Tyson Fury, or line will broke again?

Fury has the worst legitimate claim to Lineal status. Won all major belts but not held the at same time so never undisputed. So far not cleaned up division. His Lineal status is based on victory against a unified not undisputed champion whose Lineage was new. It doesn’t go back to Sullivan. Tunney made sure of that. Not Schmelling, Marciano took that lineage with him. Nor Patterson, Lewis has that. No one since Lewis has cleaned out the division while unifying all relevant belts. Mike Tyson held all belts but Spinks was Lineal. His has a claim but it can be dismantled by a careful look at the division and its title holders since Lewis. No one person has created a new true Undisputed Lineage. And I mean the word Undisputed as it reads in the dictionary. Not boxing. Completely no disputing the claim.

 

The facts are

Both Fury & Usyk are special fighters

To not respect either shows you're blinded by hatred. I've never hated a fighter, I've disliked them but i'll always give a man who gets punched in the head for a living his props.

The winner will remain special and so will the loser.

Both are getting old and over the hill and both want to lay it all on the line. Both know this is their last dance, well maybe not Fury because he's genuinely mental.

Do I care about who becomes undisputed or lineal? not really. I just want to see two men far above their peers make love...I mean war. I just pray both can give their best last dance.

 

I really don't get at all this idea of a lineal heavyweight champion. The line going back to John L Sullivan has been broken numerous times. And Fury's would only stretch to Klitschko who himself was a consensus lineal champion because he never beat Lennox Lewis. This stuff is fraught with problems. And Fury has only exploited the idea as a marketing gimmick.

 

So we agree it's not a lineal championship dating back to John L Sullivan. And it's been severed on several occasions. The theory logically only holds up for as long as the title passes directly from fighter to fighter.
After that's it's a consensus of who is the best. By that logic if the fans can bestow it, they should also be able to take it away. We should strip Fury for using it as a fictional title to avoid the best competition.

 

Wrong again. You truely are terrible at this.

 

There's no such thing as a Lineal champion. Especially when you retire for a month or whatever Fury did.

 

Hey man, Fury is the man who beat the man who beat Ruslan Chagaev.

That lineage needs to be acknowledged! Just not the bit where Fury failed multiple drugs tests surrounding that fight, and his multiple retirements following it. Or that Vitali, Joshua, (possibly Ruiz Jr.), and now Usyk were/are also the true champion depending on which Lineal Bro standards we want to apply.

It's kind of like fairy magic. If you believe hard enough they are all real.

 

Lineal is a bit of a gimmick in my view. It's a nice idea in theory but in practice it's extremely subjective in terms of retired fighters etc. and how it's decided after these matters.

I also don't understand how you can serve a drugs ban and still retain you're lineal status. Surely serving a drugs ban means you lose your champion status?

I actually think Usyk had a better case for being lineal champ already prior to beating Fury.

 

Yes but it's very subjective once those fighters retire so it's not black and white at all.

And do you not consider a drugs ban deserving of losing that status?