Who beats a Prime Joe Louis in a series of three?

Village idiot still has not learned to form a proper sentence.

 

learned from him? lol " dempsey was in another world in the skill department and he was far more skilld than frazier"
apart of baer and other few guys i can´t think about a guy more crude than dempsey, dempsey was many things, he was savage, a great street fighter, a tough guy, he was fast on his feet, he had a decent move of head, but SUPER SKILLED? LMAO PLEASE

 

Lol.

 

Some people aren't born in english speaking countries, you know.

 

The only thing to learn from that video is how weak his competition was. It's easy to slip a jab from a fighter who doesn't use it properly or telegraph it . Would he be able to slip Ali's jab? Holmes? I would never argue with anyone and agree with anyone who believes J.Louis was the most technicually proficient heavy in history as far as proper technique with punching. But the thread was who beats him in a series of 3 fights. I can think of at least 5 off the top of my head. Ali, Liston,Foreman, Holmes ,Tyson, and a good possibility of Lewis, Kliech, Frazier, beating him if were talking prime vs prime. I can't get past the fact of Louis being dropped by shots from fighters far less capable then any of the fighters Ive listed, or got boxed circles around him by B.Conn, a natural lgt heavy....

 

Flash is a flash in the pan. Not worth trying to teach unfortunately. You are in Kevin's league...lost.

Anyone who believes Dempsey to be a crude fighter does not know the sport of boxing. Crude hwts do not Bob and weave slipping seven consecutive jabs from the likes of Tunney, crude hwts do not throw six inch punches to body or head that knock fighters out. Sit down and watch carefully the silient era footage and be amazed at the talent level. Check out the last knockdown of Firpo prior to the ko. Dempsey weaves, throws a subtle feint that freezes his opponent for a split second. In a "flash" Demsey throws a right to the heart and a short perfect left hook to the chin. Firpo crumples to the canvas. Watch and then let everyone know when Frazier ever showed that level of technical competence.

 

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Yes, every time I watch footage of him, I am amazed at how sophisticated and diverse his ****nal was - contrary to certain depiction of him as a crude brawler.

 

Who achieved anything against Joe Louis in a rematch?

Nobody.

It seems that once he knew your style, you were pretty much toast!

 

Its a shame that criteria wasn't applied to you on this forum, because you simply dksab. You watch film of your heroes knocking over cans and 3rd rate fighters and convince yourself they were unbeatable and possessed both powers and skills of unparalleled levels.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I consider 99.9 % recurring of your posts as patronising, sentimental, nostalgic clap trap. Unfortunately for you, i'm far from alone.

 

Foxy...I rate quite a few over Dempsey. I rate Ali No 1. What I dislike is dishonesty or a complete ignorance of the facts and an inability to accept truth.

Most everyone in the world who knows boxing agrees with me that Louis was as great as I have illustrated. YOU are in the very minor minority. If that makes you happy that's fine and I hope you remain happy....just don't call it factual cause it's not.

 

Would you tell that to Arcel?

If we trash the credibility of every person who rated Dempsey highly, then you realize that Perry might be right about being in the minority.

 

Why the insults? This is about opnions and debate, not name calling and questioning others knowledge of the game. Especially when that person is showing u buy what they write that obviously they know something about what they say. You say you see some technical mastery by what Dempsey did with Firpo,I see a fighter with his hands by his waist, knocking out what would later be called a bum of the month. Dempsey didn't invent feints, even Roman gladiator used feints thousands of yrs ago. You say Dempsey weaved, Well Sure he did, so did Frazier against Ali in the Fotc. And Frazier did it against what most would say the best heavy in the history of the game. And the fastest. No, by what little film there is of him I don't rate Dempsey highly. I don't by into what the legends say, old nostalgic men with agendas write, like many here rate Harry Greg as best middle. But wears the film? What other info other than a sports writer from almost a 100 yrs ago wrote. A sports writer who may have changed his opnions if he saw a Robinson, Hagler, or Monzon. Most sports writers who saw Dempsey and Louis still considered Louis the better Heavy, even with the rampant rascism of the time clouding their minds. So go on with your insults, and your hostility. And realize someone may know a little more then you, and maybe just maybe is not as closed minded about there heroes....

 

Fair enough, you deserve to be heard out here.

Anybody who is here to exchange ideas, without disrespecting people, should always be welcome.

 

I totally agree. The trouble is, a certain few seem unwilling or unable to do that.

Back to the subject at hand: I think Louis would be hard to beat 2 from 3 because he improved in rematches. His power was such that he has a puncher's chance against anyone, even the giants.

I think guys like Liston, Lewis and Foreman have a chance to over power Joe, but Louis carries at least as much threat as them with his accuracy and variety. Lewis would be wary of Louis's power, no doubt.

Renaldo Snipes hurt Holmes badly with a 1-2, I am sure Louis could replicate that feat and then some.

Tyson would be very dangerous at his best. He'd definitely hurt Joe if he landed cleanly, so I give Tyson a decent chance because he was clinical.

I think Holyfield was too easy to hit and would be stopped late.

I think Louis beats Marciano on points more often than not. Maybe even stops him: he'd be the hardest hitter Rocky ever faced(prime Louis, I mean).

Dempsey is 50-50 in my opinion. As is an Ali fight. So, I can't honestly say that anyone is "favorite" to beat him in a 3 fight series. It could happen, but that applies to anyone.

What I don't see as debatable is Louis being a special fighter. His quality is obvious, surely? But the more people keep chipping away he'll be an also ran in a few years!