Who beats a Prime Joe Louis in a series of three?

That only pertains to the people he actually fought tho and his opposition wasn't the absolute best ever. If he had Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Liston to contend with winning rematches would be quite a bit different. Initial encounters as well.

The only rematch he came back win after a loss was against Schmeling and there are numerous intangibles there including career stages and focus. The others he'd already won the initial encounter, at least according to the judges.

 

My point is that even if somebody like Ali or Liston got past him the first time, he would do much better in the rematch.

Indeed he barely seems to have put a foot wrong in a rematch!

 

Another factor that would work against people winning a series of three is his longevity.

For example if he fought three fights against Tyson, the first one might be against the Tyson of the Spinks fight, but the other two would be against a diminished, or possibly post prison version.

For contrast we could get three pretty darn good versions of Joe Louis, over the same timescale.

 

Maybe dempsey otherwise nobody..not 2 of 3 beats Louis and none should be favored imo

 

The point is mostly irrelevant for me personally as the fighters being matched with him are the best of the best.

What if he gets blown out? There is a chance a guy like Foreman, Liston or Tyson might take him out early. That would cut down wriggle room immensely.

Where it might be relevant and i emphasise might, is against boxer types like Holmes and Ali. Having saids that, they are on a considerably higher level (particulalrly Ali) than the guys he did rematch.

 

Now i will be totally honest. I pick ali 66 3-0, foreman 74 2-1, vitali 2-1, lewis 2-1,holyfield 2-1,but the man that i see destroying louis 3-0 is 88tyson.absolute nightmare for him

 

Unfortunately these are the tactics of the desperate, and insincere. I have NOT denied the RELATIVE greatness of either Dempsey, or Louis.

I am not the one making such ridiculous claims of their skills and abilities being unparalleled both before or after their careers.

The fact that George Foreman smashed ,more guys into defeat than either of them, isn't an unpalatable truth to me. Its simply true.

The fact that Ali had foot movement neither of those two could do no more than dream about isn't an unpalatable truth to me. Again it is simply true.

What I don't need is patronising nonsense from old timer fan boys trying to convince me that speed, reflexes, power, etc, etc, are not skills, they are natural attributes.

You could be able to hit like a freight train, but it is no good at all if you can only do it to a punch bag.

Skill is honing one's natural talents to the highest level. Whether those skills were street fighting hobo's in mining camps, or whatever other romantic nonsense anyone is impressed by, and it doesn't matter if your name is Dempsey, Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, or Klitchko. You have still got to work with what you have got.

 

If ever there was a guy who wouldn't care less about Louis's punches because he would be too busy out punching him in the exchanges it is Holyfield. Don't confuse getting beaten by 6' 5" guys weighing 240 plus to standing toe to toe with Joe Louis.

 

holyfield easy to hit?

 

It can only be Ike Ibeabuchi.

That guy... all those muscles, all that pace, all that power & style advantages...

 

just marciano, does not matter if his rival outweights him in 250 pounds, marciano always will have more power, he had magic, his stamina wa sinfinite he could fight for 450 rounds and his stamina was nearly equal in the round 450 or the 1.
49-0 :deal

 

Sorry Bud, JWW was just as old. If Louis was Geriatric, then so was JJW. Also, and again, sorry but JJW likely deserved the first fight. Anyways, we've been over this before, but clearly JJW had a style that bothered Joe, which Joe even admitted.

What do you think of Johnson's chances Janitor?