Who Beats Langford At 160?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Its hard knowing where to place Sam Langford he fought all shapes and sizes,and weights,possessing the shoulders and reach of a heavyweight and the height of a welterweight ,taking him at middle weight who would you make favourite to beat him Monzon,Hagler,Robinson,Greb?Opinions please.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What a great question.

    I'm not sure anyone could beat him.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Good question.

    The sub 160 lb Langford beat Joe Jeanette and fought Jack Johnson.

    Although Johnson beat him he beleived that Langford was the best he ever fought and was suficiently impressed by the 160 lb version that he did not wish to fight the 185 lb version.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Denzil Batchelor wrote a book on Johnson ,in it he quotes Jack as saying that Mcvey was his toughest opponent ,Batchelor expressed doubt about this putting forward the argument that jack was excusing himself for avoiding a rematch against the more matured physically stronger Langford ,though it s true to say Johnson gave Langford quite a going over he had a substantial weight advantage ,plus there would have been no question of taking it easy as Johnson and jeanette did on several occassions putting on glorified sparring sessions,as Johnson and Langford hated one another Jack knew he would have to be in top shape to beat Sam,and the financial rewards didnt really justify the risk,when he could get well paid for turning up in so so shape and outpointing some "white hope".
     
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  5. McGrain

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    After Jeffries Johnson apparently expressed a sum of money that Langford would need to find before a fight could be made...of course, how much is in that is impossible to say...it's Johnson.

    I'd pick Langford to beat Dick Tiger and Bob Fitzimmons for sure...also i'd pick him to beat Greb I think.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some say Stanley Ketchel beat him, some say it was a draw and others see it the other way but they all agree the fight was close
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Some also say it was a barney with either a pre arranged take it easy plan or Langford fighting under wraps to get a title chance later through not showing his true ability,I think its strange that two such lethal punchers fought a decision fight myself.I,d like to have the real info on this "fight".
     
  8. janitor

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    When Langford heard news of Ketchel's death he said-

    "Poor Stan. He went to his grave thinking he could beat ole Sam".

    I suspect that they went easy on one another to build up interst in a real fight scheduled for the following summer. A jealous farm hand however had other ideas.
     
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  9. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    I also often read Ketchel should have got the decision. IMO in a rematch he would have KO´d Langford, so my pick is Stanley...
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ive no evidence but I tend to beleive Langford may have been "fighting "with an eye on a potential title fight at a later date,
     
  12. mcvey

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  13. janitor

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    Having said that Johnson had a better lifestyle later in life than a lot of great champions. As you say he had to virtualy exhibit himself but he managed to bring in enough money to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle from that and his patents.
     
  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    < This guy would have taken him on pts.
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Hagler, Greb, Robinson, Hopkins, Monzon etc could beat him.

    Langford was an immense physical specimen. The sort of strength, power and chin that was unstoppable. However he was rough round the edges. Greb matches him at what he does best and Monzon, Hagler, Robinson and Monzon are the more polished fighters.
     
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