Who beats Tommy Hearns at 147?

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns's notable win at welter is Cuevas.

    Hearns destroyed Cuevas for 2 main reasons :
    1. Cuevas's beat weapon was a left hook but he telegraphed it and Hearns exploited that in the opening seconds of the fight. Hearns put his own left inside of Cuevas and knocked Cuevas back. From then on, it was all Hearns.
    2. Cuevas from the outset was trying to be cagey on the outside, instead of pressing forward, pressuring, slipping inside and brawling Hearns. Staying back or hoping for an "in and out" strategy against Hearns is a recipe for disaster.


    I think some of the greatest ATG welters would avoid the mistakes Cuevas made and give Hearns real problems by sensing and attacking his weaknesses, instead of playing to his strengths like Cuevas did.
     
  2. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Active Member Full Member

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    I don’t see how any “ Pure Boxer “ could be successful against Thomas Hearns
     
  3. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Napoles has a case.

    Jose was able to land some good ones on Monzon. Tommy was not as sturdy as the Argentinean. Now I'd favour Hearn's combination of speed, range of power to get the job done, but Mantequilla was a great counter puncher, hard to read, and explosive. He had the kind of talent to upset the apple cart.

    It'd be interesting while it lasted.
     
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  4. BoxingIQ

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    Honestly, I would say Crawford and Spence would stop him. Spence has the chin and the relentless work rate of Marvin Hagler to break Hearns down in an absolute war. Crawford was a much better boxer than Hearns and was much more effective at imposing his will compared to Leonard. I see Crawford pulling an Indongo on Hearns tbh.
     
  5. BoxingIQ

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    Idk Duran at 147 that fought Leonard is a totally different beast than the Duran at 154. It would be a slugfest that's for sure. But I would have to give the edge to Hearns.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    What? No. Spence was losing to a damaged Kell Brook. His chin is untested but I'd be willing to put money on the fact it's not on Hagler's level. And his workrate isn't as good as Hagler's. Pretty pathetic comparison tbh.
    Again, What? 1. Even if this was true, it's irrelevant. No one outboxes Tommy. He's too long, hits too hard and is far too active with his ATG jab whilst being out of range.
    2. This isn't true.
    1. What the **** does that even mean?
    2. When did Crawford make an ATG quit?
    Yes. Because Indongo is definitely the same level as Hearns.


    How much of Hearns have you seen?
     
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  7. jabber74

    jabber74 New Member Full Member

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    I think if Hearns fought the same guys Floyd did, yes, he would have went undefeated against that cast. I also said in another post I would have favored Hearns against Floyd. Yes, Hearns was unfortunate to have Leonard and Hagler during his time. He was still a great fighter, would give anyone a nightmare, but he was chinny and had a stamina issue that was exposed by Ray and Marvin, and also Barkley and some others... It does (in my opinion and many others) demote him behind Leonard and Hagler. Had he won those two fights, especially the Leonard showdown, he becomes THEE man of the 80's. Leonard and Hearns did not engage in a series of fights to truly prove dominance one way or the other, but I favor Leonard and rank him higher. I disagree about Robinson-LaMotta comparison because, although it is true LaMottta snapped Robinson's win streak, Ray was a welter fighting a middle, he also was not Ko'ed in the loss, he simply lost a close decision to a heavier man. Also, he bested Jake 5 other times....
     
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  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yes...don't forget he probably beat Ray Leonard as well albeit at the higher weight.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great point. Many seem to write this fight off with them being older and such but both were still fighting at an extremely high level. Hearns easily beat Hill 2 years later and Leonard all but shut out Duran next fight and he was coming off that great performance against Barkley.
     
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  10. Matt Bargas

    Matt Bargas Member Full Member

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    Not fair.

    Armstrong started out as a featherweight and lightweight, only later moving up to welter and middle.

    He would have the same problem Duran had; dealing with the reach, power, and speed of Hearns.

    He would have a better chance at junior welter where Hearns wouldn’t be as strong.
     
  11. Seamus

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    Juan Martin Coggi deserves a mention.
     
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  12. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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  13. Bronze Tiger

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    How do you see that fight going?
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always thought the Hearns at 154 was much more unbeatable than the guy at 147 just because of the experience going 15, and the fact he was so powerful at 147 that he took more chances and would leave himself open. At 154 he was more rounded and had experience. Had he had the experience at 147 as he did at 154, then he would have been hard to beat. Very hard to beat.
     
  15. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is the story on Duran. Duran was not in shape for any of the fights when he fought a great fighter. Somehow he got in shape and was motivated for fights where he fought guys like Moore and Barkley, but for Leonard 2 and 3, Hearns, Benitez he was not in shape or focused. Somehow if he was focused he would have reversed being knocked out by Hearns in 2 rounds. Reversed being outboxed completely by Benitez. Reversed when Ray boxed him and mentally beat Duran in the rematch and rubber match.
     


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