Who Believes That Foreman Was Drugged In Zaire?

I would say that Ali's punches at the end of rd 5 drained Foreman a lot. I think that was really the decisive moment of the fight.

 

I thought Ali showed a lot of skill, slipping, parrying, dodging punches whilst on the ropes. Aswell as the deadly accurate and sharp punches he was throwing at Foreman.

 

There's no factual evidence to support your theory, so you can't say it's definite truth can you? dumbass... atsch

 

Don't panic, i had some very pertinent things to say - new stuff too. I'll scale it back to address just one paragraph.

What would you say if i played devil's advocate and said the knockout wasn't even legitimate let alone clean and inarguable?

:hey

 

I'll let this one go but was going to say how did Frazier and Norton go 80 odd rounds (and into deeper rounds every fight) with Ali without getting dropped when Foreman has a better chin (you agree) than either. Ali sure landed plenty of his hard leather at various times. It's an obvious lead to how much to take stamina and exhaustion into account.

But anyways i have raised a much more interesting question now. It bears debate, might even make a thread about it. If memory serves me right it was a small topic AGES ago.

 

And you were dead right... check it out on vid or dvd... good fight.

Ps. Enough of this drug bull****, GF never went past 2-4 rds for a LONG time & never faced a boxer of Ali`s ability or craftiness... THATS why he looked gassed, being made to miss & hit flush in return.
He never looked tired until after rd 5 or 6 so is it so hard to imagine a HWT gassing after 5/6 rds when his strategy was to come straight out looking for the ko in the 1st few rds therefore not pacing himself the way he should ?

George thought Ali could be taken out but Ali aint Frazier or Norton & proved he was the GHOAT in this fight. He won it fair & he won it well so please stop trying to deny him this historic win.... grow up.

:-(

 

I know what you mean. Sometimes things don't quite add up. It's like saying how come Holyfield went 15 rounds with Tyson yet was more shaken and floored by Cooper. IMO Tyson had a bigger punch than Cooper, no hesitation. Lewis took Mercer's shots for 10 rounds, and Mercer was no powder 'puff' puncher, yet he was knocked out my Rahman. I would say Mercer was a harder puncher than Rahman. Although Mercer maybe never caught Lewis with a real swinger like Rahman caught him with.

Another thing that doesn't add up. Frazier wasn't off his feet in Manilla in mind boggling conditions in a fight which was much more gruelling for each fighter than Zaire. Yet I rate Foreman's chin half a point better than Frazier's when looking at their entire careers. They both shared a ring with the same man who punched them, Ali. Sometimes a fighters chin simply aint reliable on a certain night. Punch resistance is like a fighter's performances, sometimes consistent, sometimes not.

 

I'm interested to hear this one. And I'll not disagree for the sake of it simply because it might well be something I never knew. I have a feeling it might well be that the referee waved the fight off as Foreman was rising at the count of 8, it was fast count, or maybe the count begun too early.

 

In Muhammad's previous outing, he bombed Frazier with a deadly right late in the second round, followed by some more grenades, sending Joe wobbling from ring center to the ropes before Tony Perez prematurely intervened to possibly save him a visit to the floor. After Foreman, Ali showed his tremendous stamina and championship stretch offensive capacity by beating down a well trained Chuck Wepner with a tremendous sustained attack to avenge that referee ruled knockdown against him.

When Muhammad took George's best in round five, then came on with that counterattack in the closing seconds, Foreman was mentally defeated.

By the end of round two, George's left eye was already marked from Ali's blistering rights. 30 seconds into round four, Muhammad clearly stunned Foreman. The firepower Ali demonstrated in round two of the second Frazier fight, and would show again with Wepner, and in round 11 against Lyle, was definitely in evidence. Don't forget that Muhammad had gone the 12 round distance in his five previous bouts, while George had never been extended past ten, and hadn't been extended at all in three years.

Foreman was unable to pace himself with Ali inviting him to try pounding away. George didn't have the reach or handspeed to successfully trade his roundhouse haymakers with Muhammad's straight lightning bolts. Even if Foreman had been drugged with performance enhancing stimulants, he would not have beaten Ali in Kinshasa. George was in there with a crazy man that night, a lunatic deranged enough to ignore bullet wounds. (Think he wasn't a madman in the jungle? Check out his egomaniacal post fight demeanor with David Frost. He was totally nuts, completely drunk on his own power. Don't forget that a psycho had many times the strength of a sane person, and this concerns a fruitcake who had Sonny Liston afraid to get back on his feet in Lewiston. It sometimes takes questionable sanity just to step into a ring, and Ali was less sane than most that night.)

 

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:huh WTF? How the hell did a simultaneous quadruple post get hiccuped by the system and accepted by ESB?:think (I thought there were safeguards built in against the sort of accident which causes four posts to be accepted from a single source at the same time. I sent it ONCE at 12:45 PM, not FOUR times!:scaredas

 

Listen to the man, TIGEREDGE. If you can't appreciate Ali's skill in that fight you don't know much about boxing, I would say. I can't see any other fighter being able to fight that way against Foreman. You don't pull that off by just being able to take a good punch.

Holyfield was as tough and durable as they come, as well as being a skilled fighter, how long do you think he would have survived on the ropes against Foreman? Tunney, Walcott? Jeffries, Marciano, Chuvalo (well, we all know the answer to how Chuvalo would do)?